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Smoking Cigarettes Will Kill You

Change in cigarettes more dangerous to lungs?

Higher levels of chemical linked to certain type of lung cancer, study finds

WASHINGTON - It may be riskier on the lungs to smoke cigarettes today than it was a few decades ago — at least in the U.S., says new research that blames changes in cigarette design for fueling a certain type of lung cancer.

Up to half of the nation's lung cancer cases may be due to those changes, Dr. David Burns of the University of California, San Diego, told a recent meeting of tobacco researchers.

It's not the first time that scientists have concluded the 1960s movement for lower-tar cigarettes brought some unexpected consequences. But this study, while preliminary, is among the most in-depth looks. And intriguingly it found the increase in a kind of lung tumor called adenocarcinoma was higher in the U.S. than in Australia even though both countries switched to so-called milder cigarettes at the same time.

"The most likely explanation for it is a change in the cigarette," Burns said in an interview — and he cited a difference: Cigarettes sold in Australia contain lower levels of nitrosamines, a known carcinogen, than those sold in the U.S.

That's circumstantial evidence that requires more research, he acknowledged.

But anti-smoking advocates are citing the study as Congress considers whether the Food and Drug Administration should regulate tobacco, legislation that would give the agency power to decide such things as whether to set caps on certain chemicals in tobacco smoke.

Smokers once tended to get lung cancer in larger air tubes, particularly a type named "squamous cell carcinoma." Then doctors noticed a jump in adenocarcinoma, which grows in small air sacs far deeper in the lung. Initial studies blamed introduction of filtered, lower-tar cigarettes. When smokers switched, they began inhaling more deeply to get their nicotine jolt, pushing cancer-causing smoke deeper than before.

Burns' study, presented at a meeting of the Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco, took a closer look. He compared smoking behaviors of different age groups over four decades — how much they smoked, when they started, when they quit — and how cancer-risk changed.
The risk of squamous cell carcinoma stayed about the same over those years, Burns found. But adenocarcinoma rose. It makes up 65 percent to 70 percent of newly occurring U.S. lung cancer cases, but no more than 40 percent of Australia's lung cancer, he said.

While the nation's total lung cancer cases have inched down as the number of smokers has dropped in recent years, the study suggests an individual smoker's risk of getting cancer is higher.

It's well known that cigarettes differ from country to country, because of different tobacco crops grown locally and smokers' varying tastes. Nitrosamines are a byproduct of tobacco processing and levels vary for several reasons, including differences in curing practices.

Australian cigarettes contain about 20 percent of the nitrosamine content of U.S. cigarettes, making the chemical a prime suspect, concluded Burns, who has been scientific editor of several surgeon general reports on tobacco.

That doesn't rule out a role for deeper inhaling, cautioned Dr. Michael Thun of the American Cancer Society: "There's several strong suspects in the lineup. They may have acted in combination."

Philip Morris USA spokesman David Sutton called the study speculative and hard to evaluate until it's published in a medical journal, something Burns plans to do.

Still, Philip Morris, which supports FDA tobacco regulation, began taking steps with its growers in 2000 that have yielded "significantly lower" nitrosamine levels in recent years' supplies, Sutton said.

Be careful in assuming lower-nitrosamine cigarettes are less lethal, said Dr. Neal Benowitz of the University of California, San Francisco, a well-known tobacco expert. Lung cancer is only one of tobacco's many risks — it causes heart disease and other killer diseases, too.

"If you reduce someone's (lung cancer) risk by 10 percent, that's not really meaningful for an individual," he said. "The goal still is to get them to stop."

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Re: Smoking Cigarettes Will Kill You

I think we need to push more for people to stop smoking then trying to come up with a smoke that does not cause cancer as it will never happen. The world will be a better place for it. We need a full ban state to state on smoking in any place that serves food and it public buildings.
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Re: Smoking Cigarettes Will Kill You

Just remember that this is a NO SMOKING forum.
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I think we need to push more for people to stop smoking then trying to come up with a smoke that does not cause cancer as it will never happen. The world will be a better place for it. We need a full ban state to state on smoking in any place that serves food and it public buildings.
Right on! and alcohol too! Wait.. they tried that. Actually made it an amendment to the Constitution.

How'd that work out?

Let's make your law, then fast forward though the inevitable organized crime, black markets, jailings, and killings, later repeal your law, then come up with something that may actually work.

Like a HUGE class action suit against the tobacco companies that make the product. We can eliminate their advertising and cripple them with billion dollar settlements for selling lung cancer for decades! Great idea!

Wait... they tried that too. How'd that work out?

If the states can give up their addiction to the tobacco tax revenue (and really impress me and stop sucking the life-blood of the lower class through gambling addiction with the lottery), then I'll quit too. Meanwhile, I'm sparking this cigar.

P.S. i've got sans on my do not read list so I've no idea what he's peddling below. I thought this might be a comedy thread being about smoking in a health and fitness forum, so I peeked in..
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Re: Smoking Cigarettes Will Kill You

Speaking of states with a longstanding "addiction to the tobacco tax revenue":

North Carolina last week took a historic step for a state built on tobacco: It made smoking indoors illegal just about everywhere.

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pb...WS01/905170348

While I don't appreciate smoky atmospheres, I foresee lawsuits to try to overturn this new law.
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So...I dislike laws that tell me how to live. Let's look at something more fun like sex! Studies have found that smoking causes impotents-yuck. Also, personal experience has taught me that food tastes so much better with-out cigs. Better sex and tastier food got me off the smoking habit, and will hopefully will keep my kids from starting!!
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As someone who has smoked in the past, I see both sides of this coin. I smoked for 30 years before quitting and I quit not because of my health but because of being treated like a second class individual by employers and businesses and then shoved outside in the cold to have my nicotine fix. I have been a non-smoker for 20 plus years now but I still want to have one now and then. I enjoyed the taste of smoking.

I think smokers do have rights the same as those of us who don't smoke. I think all businesses should have places outside and away from entrances to their facilities where smokers can go and smoke. This total ban on smoking just makes it difficult for smokers and they will leave the premises and go have their cigarettes. I find it cruel actually to force smokers to leave the premises to have their cigarettes. Nicotine is highly addictive and a smoker will need a "fix" during their working hours. Some smokers will get very irritable when not allowed to have their nicotine level kicked up during the day.

Smoking cigarettes is also not illegal but you would think it was the way smoking and smokers are treated. They are people. They are people who happen to smoke but we, non-smokers, just seem to keep making their lives hell. I find it tragic and sad.

As far as lung cancer is concerned, it affects, most of the time those who have smoked strong, higher tar and nicotine cigarettes for 30, 40, 50 years. Smokers who start and quit within a 20 to 25 year period from various studies I have read are in the same ranks of non-smokers with the chance of getting lung cancer. One must note too that half of lung cancer is from smoking. What is the other half caused from?

This is a hot button topic. I see both sides and both sides have legitimate arguments.

And naturush, I agree, in that I highly dislike laws that tell me what I will or will not do especially when it is legal. It is legal to smoke.
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Re: Smoking Cigarettes Will Kill You

Moonshadow - the reason non smokers want all eateries to have a full ban is because no matter how far away it is from them , if it's indoors we can still smell that terrible smell . For many of us it ruins our meals and wish that not to happen
. I do not believe smoker should have the same right when it comes to this and feel they should take it outside no matter the weather or hold off until they are done eating. If a smoker cannot do 90 minutes without one I think the real issue is not that they need to go outside , but they need get themselves help to cut down and break free from this awful addiction.
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Just for the record, this past Satuday I attended a service for my cousin, who died of lung cancer. He was 54, and a smoker.
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Re: Smoking Cigarettes Will Kill You

Free - I am not talking about smoking indoors as I agree that there should not be smoking indoors of any public facility. We pretty much have that in most states now. I am talking about having places outside of facilities for smokers. Most places now don't even have that anymore.

Yes, it is an addiction but there are worse addictions out there.
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