Creationism and the Naked Body

In some other threads I have been staggered at how many people, when referring to the naked human form, seem to believe that it was designed by 'God'.

I can say that I don't know anybody among my circle of friends, family and acquaintances who actually believes that. Everybody I know takes it for granted that the human form is a product of evolution, and that the creationist theory is something that was believed by our ancestors before Mr Darwin's theories were understood.

Any observations????

Stu

In some other threads I have been staggered at how many people, when referring to the naked human form, seem to believe that it was designed by 'God'.

I can say that I don't know anybody among my circle of friends, family and acquaintances who actually believes that. Everybody I know takes it for granted that the human form is a product of evolution, and that the creationist theory is something that was believed by our ancestors before Mr Darwin's theories were understood.

Any observations????

Stu

[Rik]

I wouldn't go so far as to say "Everbody I know takes it for granted...." as I woudn't presume to know what everbody I know thinks on the subject. Although I broadly agree with you.

I too take the view that the evidence we have suggests that the human body evolved without any divine intervention but I suspect that when people talk about the body being created they don't actually believe that the human form suddenly appeared but rather that the human form was created on a evolutionary basis. (If that makes sense [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] )

Rik

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Which ever theory one believes, the human body works as intended.

In creationism, we were created in God's image. Point blank. What could be more perfect? ( well, I guess our knees could bend the other way when we need them to.)

In evolution, an imperfect design was either wiped out, evolved further to accept climate conditions,or cross breeded enough to survive.

I am not an expert on either and will admitt it now.

Does anyone believe in "Evolution: The Process Of Creation!"

[TXK NUDE]

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Originally posted by stu2630:
[qb] Everybody I know takes it for granted that the human form is a product of evolution, and that the creationist theory is something that was believed by our ancestors before Mr Darwin's theories were understood.

Any observations????

Stu [/qb]

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Actually, yes. Darwin's theories of evolution were NEVER originally applied to humans. His initial theories dealt with MICRO-evolution of various species that were essentially separated from the rest of the world on islands too far for animal migration to have occured. He latered developed a theory of MACRO-evolution as an explanation of species who were totally indigionous to specific islands throughout the Pacific Ocean. It was actually Professor Leaky who applied evolution to humankind...and later "proved" his theory with Lucy-the missing link. Lucy was later proven to be a ape's skull with the rib cage of a wild boar. Leaky was eventually completely discredited and cast out of the scientific community. Unfortunately, it was too late as his theories were by then being preached in public school science classes as factual. The theory of human evolution has actually been disproven, as mummified remains from the ice age have had the same skeletal structure as modern man! Neandertals and Cromagnan men have yet to be actually identified by complete skeletal remains. So...what's easier to believe...a concocted a THEORY of man's evolution...or a belief that has been widely believed for thousands of years that men were created by a higher being?

TXK

If faced with a choice between believing an imperfect but compelling scientific theory or a totally unfounded story in an ancient book full of magic and myths, I know which I would prefer.

There is not a jot of hard evidence to support creationist theories whereas evolutionary theory fits in beautifully with our own understanding and observations about how species evolve over time, either selectively through breeding by human beings, or by the actions of nature.

Stu

[Naturist Mark]

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Originally posted by TXK NUDE:
[qb] Darwin's theories of evolution were NEVER originally applied to humans. [/qb]

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It was there from the beginning, just not out in the open.

Darwin's first book The Voyage of the Beagle laid out the case for natural selection. His second book The Origin of Species expanded that to a full blown Evolutionary Theory. Darwin purposely did not expound upon human origins in that book due to religious sensitivities (aka fear). But in his third book on evolution he did indeed take that subject head on with The Descent of Man. Read them here.

My own views? I don't believe in a prankster God who created a universe scattered with false evidence of evolution. I don't believe in a satanic or gnostic second god with the power of creation and the desire to deceive. I believe the evidence of science -including evolution- is nothing less than the fingerprints of God in a continuing act of creation.

[Rik]

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Originally posted by stu2630:
[qb] If faced with a choice between believing an imperfect but compelling scientific theory or a totally unfounded story in an ancient book full of magic and myths, I know which I would prefer.
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You mean you prefer logic over irrational culture? Surely not.

Rik

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

Mankind has believed in our creation by a God for thousands of years, but have only been looking for evidence of evolution for, what? 150yrs? Give it time. For all we know, the missing link could be buried beneath a city like Paris or Rome and may be centuries before discovered, or a link has already been found and reburied by the church.
OOH! I love a conspirocy theory!

Rik

"You mean you prefer logic over irrational culture? Surely not."

I trained as a lawyer. If I am to believe something to be fact then I will look for evidence. When I find evidence I will apply logic to it in the hope of making sense of it thus giving me an accurate assessment of the truth of something.

That doesn't stop me feeling things nor reacting to stimuli with emotion. My dislike of seeing nudity IS emotion - just as I don't want to see animals being slaughtered in an abbatoir or my elderly neighbours having sexual intercourse or some poor soul being beheaded in Saudi Arabia.

Logic is a tool for man to use to solve problems. It should not become the sole controller of our thoughts, actions and feelings.

Stu