Pedophilia problem?

barmonkey · #1 07-25-2005, 06:27 AM

Has anyone seen this website?

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/

After reading through the articles, I'm still not going to have a problem taking my kids to a nudist resort. It's just like anywhere else you take your kids, you have to keep an eye on them. I'm sure that there's just as many pedophiles at the public swimming pools or any shopping mall. Clothing doesn't protect your kids from pedophiles.

#2 07-25-2005, 06:56 AM

While I'm sure there are pedophiles in nudist venues, there are more apt to be far more in non-mudist places. They can blend in more easily among the textiles who don't watch their children as closely as nudists do. Yes, things do happen in nudists places, but far more frequently in non-nudist places.

We recently had a man kicked out of our resort who was getting too friendly with kids. He was being watched and didn't know it. He was touching them inappropriately. We, the regulars, get suspicious of anyone who gets too friendly with the kids.

This week we have the Junior MSA convention, and we have a lot of teens and younger kids. You can be sure we will be watching for anyone who might try to get too friendly with them. Of course, since I'm not married and live here alone, I wouldn't too surprised if I'm one of the people being watched.

BackpackerBrian · #3 07-25-2005, 08:17 AM

I found that website to be a bit disturbing, and was disappointed that it was not better balanced. In general, it painted nudists to be ignorant, self-centered people at best, and pedohhiles at worst.

Unfortunately some people go to nudist clubs searching for something which they won't find there. Fortunately, there tends to be either a formal (club-initiated) or informal (people-iniated) screening process that takes care of any problems in the bud. You tend to get known pretty fast in the nudist community. That is good for those who are there for the right reasons, and good for everyone else in that those there for the wrong reasons eventually leave.

While I don't have kids, if I did, I would feel safer taking them to an approprrate nudist venue than most textile equivalents.

I would like though to hear from more parents on this issue . . .

jon71 · #4 07-25-2005, 09:45 AM

Some people are just determined to put naturists in a bad light. With enough research we could find plenty of examples of child abuse at a church camp, band camp, or anything else and then start painting with a broad brush. I never let me daughter out of my sight anywhere we go, no exceptions.

shãybare · #5 07-25-2005, 01:40 PM

I, too, feel children are safer at a nudist venue, although I don't have statistics. In any gathering, even church gatherings, parents should watch their children and teach their children about improper sexual behavior.

Naturist Mark · #6 07-25-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by BackpackerBrian:
I found that website to be a bit disturbing, and was disappointed that it was not better balanced. In general, it painted nudists to be ignorant, self-centered people at best, and pedohhiles at worst.

That website is designed to defame nudism. Nikki Craft is a former nudist and women's topfree rights activist. She also was involved in a relationship with Naturist Society founder Lee Baxendall which apparently ended badly - that may or may not be what triggered her vendetta against naturism.

There is nothing wrong with her warnings about pedophiles and the need for nudist organizations to be alert to the possibilities - every club I know of takes this very very seriously (the opposite of what Craft claims). Her many 'case studies' are alarmist and at times only very tenuously connected to nudism (if at all). Her aim is defamation not education.

-Mark

KirkOntario · #7 07-25-2005, 03:34 PM

Unfortunately pedophiles are drawn to nudist resorts and most resorts that I know are vigilant in this regard. Why are they drawn? Kids are naked of course and I think they cannot resist and hope to sexualize children or photograph children through innocent nudism. Of course most nudists are oblivious to this but owners are not.

**Bob S.** · #8 07-25-2005, 07:08 PM

If you want to go by statistics, children are more likely to be abused in their own homes than anywhere else--by a large margin.

Mark is corect that Nikki Craft is on a personal vendetta against organized nudism. Somewhere I wrote about this, but I can't find it so here goes again.

Anyone can publish a list of stories about any specific industry or group of people who abuse children. Heck I can list off the number of women teachers who have sex with their students and suggest that it is epidemic with a well organized website.

Pedophiles are going to go to places where they can have access to children. In only 10-20% of the cases will it be a stranger who abuses them. The vast majority of cases are going to involve friends or family.

And as Jon-Marc and others pointed out, watching children and having a community of eyes on the children does tend to stop abuse before it happens. And the thing is that this community lookout is very strong in nudist parks. This is the reason why I say that nudist parks are one of the safest places a child can be.

"I'm sure that there's just as many pedophiles at the public swimming pools or any shopping mall."

But the thing is monkey, that nudist parks are privately owned and can and will ban people from their grounds, as well as blacklisting them from other nearby nudist parks/groups.

"Clothing doesn't protect your kids from pedophiles."

That is an argument that I have used a lot in the past so thank you for using it.

Bob S.

KirkOntario · #9 07-25-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bob S.:
If you want to go by statistics, children are more likely to be abused in their own homes than anywhere else--by a large margin.

Bob S.

Yes but non-nudists and nudists have that in common. There is added risk with nudism but then if nudists are aware then unlike the situation with clothed children they are being extra vigilant. Talking to a cop recently in a small town he told me how many known pedophiles there were within blocks of his house. Quite shocking really to know the info on an average community. Problem is these guys are out of jail more than they are in jail.

nudeM · #10 07-25-2005, 08:34 PM

So, are kids at risk more at nudist ventures instead of neighborhood playgrounds? The author clearly has a vedetta against nudists, but does that make nudism a 'risky' lifestyle?

I agree, kids are more at risk while at home or at neighborhood playgrounds. You have to admit, the pedophiles are those who are the most trusted to be with kids. I, too don't know the statistics, but I'm sure there is more wrongdoing at homes and playgrounds, than at nudist resorts. Again, I cannot provide any stats. It would be interesting if someone could provide that. As parents we have to keep close watch on our kids at all times.

I remember when I was a kid, my friend and I were able to to ride our bikes for miles to play basketball, football, swim, or other activities with no problems. It's a shame today's kids cannot enjoy those same activities without having the fears of someone stalking them. Today's world is much more dangerous, especially for our kids.