Forgiven for Sins?

NudistMike07 · #1 04-12-2004, 05:27 PM

How come christians are so nuts about banning nudity and nudism if most of them were saved by god from going to hell and he forgave all of them for their sins? I mean what is there to worry about doing? Nudism isnt sinful and even if it was, god's gonna forgive us all in the end anyways so whats the point? Besides if he really has a problem with it why doesnt he just come down here and speak up and let us know about it then?

NudistMike07 · #2 04-12-2004, 05:27 PM

How come christians are so nuts about banning nudity and nudism if most of them were saved by god from going to hell and he forgave all of them for their sins? I mean what is there to worry about doing? Nudism isnt sinful and even if it was, god's gonna forgive us all in the end anyways so whats the point? Besides if he really has a problem with it why doesnt he just come down here and speak up and let us know about it then?

melissastarr · #3 04-12-2004, 07:19 PM

Excellent question, one that has been asked by many great theologians. Let me preface by saying that nudism is not a sin- nowhere in the Bible does God say it is. The big question is: if we're forgiven of our sins, why not just sin all we want to? If we're going to be forgiven anyway, what's the big deal, right? Well, there are 4 answers to that, in my eyes:

1) Even though we're forgiven of our sins, that doesn't mean we should sin. Sin is still wrong and still has horrible consequences. For example, if I commit the sin of murder I'll go to jail. On a 'lighter' note, if I act cruelly toward someone I'm going to lose their trust. Consequences still exist, even if we're forgiven.

2) My goal in life is not forgiveness- Christ already gave that to me by dying on the cross. So what is my goal? To please God and worship Him in my actions. If my actions are sinful, that's not a very good 'thank you' to God and it's not an act of praise. The Bible says that we should praise God in all we do.

3) Our actions need to be a reflection of God so that others can know who He is through us. God is loving, joyous, peaceful, patient, kind, good, faithful, gentle, and self-controlled. We, too, should be these things.

4) Our world is already pretty corrupt, in case you didn't notice (I'm sure you have, though.) For Christians to act as sinful as they can so that God's forgiveness would increase would cause our world to be even worse. The chaos of our world would be multiplied and life would not really be worth living because our world would be such a mess.

These are my thoughts and I'm sure others have answers, too.

Melissa

namedun · #4 04-12-2004, 07:38 PM

Holy crap Mike, do you know what you've just done? Asking something like that is like throwing a rock at a bee's nest around here. Now we'll have only three fresh topics and this same one everyday from the main page.

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NoodJuggler · #5 04-13-2004, 05:11 AM

Amen..Cheers..NoodJuggler

missouriboy · #6 04-13-2004, 07:08 AM

melissa, you are a good teacher. Thanks for extending your talent to this board, to also teach our child poster here just one more thing that he needs to know, if he's ever going to grow...

Buzzer · #7 04-13-2004, 08:58 AM

I think your generalizing Christians as all being against nudism. There are a lot of us who see no harm in it. Clothing was invented by man, as was the measuring of passing of time(Minutes, seconds, etc.) & we all know how much damage to our nerves clock watching has done.

Jochanaan · #8 04-13-2004, 01:19 PM

melissa, missouriboy, and Buzzer, I agree with you all. I would also say that a majority of Christians haven't really studied what the Bible says, or rather doesn't say, regarding this issue.

fred950 · #9 04-13-2004, 06:12 PM

Mike, I was taught that in order to be forgiven by God you must first:
A) Truely let God into your heart. This does NOT nessesarily mean becoming a 'HOO-OOLYYY ROO-OOOLLER' bent on converting each and every one of us, bur rather be at peace with Him and yourself.
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B) You must learn to forgive other as YOU want to be forgiven. If I can forgive the man who 'stole' my wife. Or the kid that sat behind me in high school science class whom taunted me something fierce--I am now one of the very few he can call on. You too, can learn (and you must learn) the fine line between forgiving without nessesarrily forgetting and burning from hate and distrust.
What I've just described is not easy, but few things in life that are worth having are.

ntmckcpl · #10 04-13-2004, 06:56 PM

Unfortunately too many Christians adhere to the old St. Augustine view that has been engrained into them from birth and passed down from many generations that Nudity = sex = sin with exception of going to the dr, taking a shower, or being in front of a married partner. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] (always thought it was funny that exceptions were made to a supposed sin) What many will learn if they are truly open is that nowhere in the Bible does it state that nudity is wrong. If one is to make the argument that in Genesis it speaks of nakedness, and really does their homework, they will find that it is speaking of a spiritual nakedness and not a physical one. God only clothed Adam and Eve to protect them from the elements when they were cast out, not to hide their physical bodies. Later the Bible speaks of not looking upon the nakedness of various individuals such as family members. Once again the proper translation for nakedness is sexual relations, ie. no sex with family members. You have to go back to the original text and translate what is said into the proper usage. This country has a very long way to go with social and Christian acceptance of nudity. I only hope it is within my lifetime.