How much do you know about AANR?

#1 08-15-2003, 08:59 AM

I'm interested in knowing how much actual AANR members know about their own organization. Were you aware that the president of AANR was trying to do a major overhaul called AANR Tomorrow?

Are you an AANR member only because your club forces you to join? Do you vote for delegates to represent you at the conventions? Do you care that most delegates are appointed by the clubs instead of holding elections? Do you realize that this means most of the delegates represent the clubs and not it's members? Do you also realize that us members pay dues and the clubs pay nothing and yet get to decide how AANR is run?

#2 08-15-2003, 08:59 AM

I'm interested in knowing how much actual AANR members know about their own organization. Were you aware that the president of AANR was trying to do a major overhaul called AANR Tomorrow?

Are you an AANR member only because your club forces you to join? Do you vote for delegates to represent you at the conventions? Do you care that most delegates are appointed by the clubs instead of holding elections? Do you realize that this means most of the delegates represent the clubs and not it's members? Do you also realize that us members pay dues and the clubs pay nothing and yet get to decide how AANR is run?

soundman · #3 08-15-2003, 02:12 PM

What is AANR tomorrow?

#4 08-15-2003, 05:10 PM

http://cb.aanr.com/aanr_tomorrow.php

It was what the president Pat Brown wanted to change AANR into. There is lots to read about there so I won't bore everyone with it here but I hope enough people are motivated to find out just what it was about.

NoodJuggler · #5 08-15-2003, 10:22 PM

What is that they say..Money talks. Why should they care about the little guy, you might pay dues but the clubs will benifit them more than me or you. So the clubs are going to get the most out of it. I didn't read everything but it seems like the little guy is getting the shaft. If you don't like what they are doing just don't pay your dues, if enough people don't then they might listen. It is all political crap anyway..Just my opinion, I could care less anymore. It's their game and I don't play by their rules so I lose..Keithmj [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

mel · #6 08-16-2003, 01:38 AM

I'm a member of TNS. I don't know if that's better than AANR, but they have a magazine they mail out every three months. They discuss what's happening in the nudist world and have articles on different places to go. I find it very interesting.

Trailscout · #7 08-16-2003, 06:08 AM

You can get a discount at most local nudist clubs with either an AANR or TNS membership card. TNS membership is a little cheaper and has a nice members magazine. AANR just publishes a newsletter.

TNS has a wing (Naturist Action Committee) that works in court to protect our rights on nude beaches and other public nude situations.

AANR is far from perfect, but it provides some accountability for resorts. Some people never go to nudist resorts or campgrounds and may not care about being a member, but if you go to nudist resorts, being a member of AANR is your only hope of influencing the future of them. Ironically if AANR Tomorrow had passed, individuals would have little or no future role to play in AANR. The clubs would run it and the leadership would have been centralized. Yeah, you could get disgusted and walk off, but if you did, that would immediately hand victory to the people who want to prevent you from having a voice in the running of nudist resorts and campgrounds.

AANR has established summer camps for kids and teens and that is the best thing they have ever done. No matter what you think of AANR's leadership, this program for young people needs all the support and encouragement we can give.

#8 08-16-2003, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by Keithmj:
[qb]If you don't like what they are doing just don't pay your dues, if enough people don't then they might listen. [/qb]

Well I know now that you don't belong to any of the clubs in the area because if you did you'd know that most of them force you to join AANR when you join them.

If I want to attend Como and Caliente I have to fork over for an AANR membership too. If this rule was removed AANR would lose about half it's members.

#9 08-16-2003, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by Trailscout:
[qb] You can get a discount at most local nudist clubs with either an AANR or TNS membership card. TNS membership is a little cheaper and has a nice members magazine. AANR just publishes a newsletter.

TNS has a wing (Naturist Action Committee) that works in court to protect our rights on nude beaches and other public nude situations.

AANR is far from perfect, but it provides some accountability for resorts.[/qb]

It does? If that is true how come they don't do anything about the swingers playing in the pools late at night at Paradise? How come other small clubs have been thrown out for the same behavior? Because Paradise is their greatest source of income, that's why.

Oh, and TNS is not cheaper for singles than AANR. TNS has one membership price so families would save but singles would not. Having said that, most clubs force you to join after a few visits so that discount is rather meaningless since you'd only save about $2-4 per visit. Now if you travel a lot you can use it.

And NAC isn't the only source of protection from bad legislation... AANR does the same thing although I think NAC does a better job. I've been a NAC area rep and still work with NAC now and then, going to county meetings and speaking before commissioners to try and preserve what we have. I firmly believe that anyone that considers themselves nudists should be giving money to NAC instead of making a few of us do all the work for the rest. If you don't you are mooching off the sweat of us few that keep nudism alive.

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Some people never go to nudist resorts or campgrounds and may not care about being a member, but if you go to nudist resorts, being a member of AANR is your only hope of influencing the future of them. Ironically if AANR Tomorrow had passed, individuals would have little or no future role to play in AANR. The clubs would run it and the leadership would have been centralized.[/qb]

AANR Tomorrow allowed half the delegates to be elected by members and the other half by clubs so your statement isn't true.

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Yeah, you could get disgusted and walk off, but if you did, that would immediately hand victory to the people who want to prevent you from having a voice in the running of nudist resorts and campgrounds.[/qb]

No, many of us can't walk off because our clubs force AANR membership on us. Please, post about what you know.
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AANR has established summer camps for kids and teens and that is the best thing they have ever done. No matter what you think of AANR's leadership, this program for young people needs all the support and encouragement we can give. [/qb]

Except that AANR didn't establish those camps. FANR did. After ten years of sucessfully running them AANR is finally pitching in and helping. FANR runs it's treasury dry every year paying for kids to go to that camp. AANR didn't help them.

Your post is full of misinformation. I suggest you read the link a bit before adding more bad info to this discussion.

Trailscout · #10 08-16-2003, 10:40 AM

Cyndiann,

I cannot prove that Paradise is getting off scot free because of the money their membership injects, but typically when you look for wrongdoing you follow the money motive. What you said is believable.

My premise is that an association of resorts makes sense if it means that they can hold their member resorts to standards of quality, service and to some extent policy.
I am not here to conjecture on the level to which AANR is effective. I am simply saying that there doesn't seem to be an alternative association which can influence resorts for the benefit of us the visitors. If you can suggest an alternate way for rank and file nudists to influence resorts for the better, I am glad to hear your ideas.
If AANR is our only outlet for dissent, we had better join or they will never change for the better.

I agree that contributing money to NAC is extremely important. I think that naturism would also benefit from some grass-roots action. Specificially, I mean supportive visits to beaches that are traditionally (but not officially) nude.

I also think that letters written by individuals to elected officials carry weight

What is your position on AANR Tomorrow? Do you think it would have been of any benefit to the individual?

Do clubs force AANR membership on you or is TNS membership an acceptable alternative?

Where I live, I am not under obligation to join my local resort. They allow unlimited visits.

Is FANR funding the youth camp at White Tail Park in Virginia? If not, was AANR East? or AANR?

For now, I am only a TNS member. If my money situation improves, I could either join AANR in addition to TNS or remain a TNS member only and send additional funds to NAC. I would welcome any information you and others can provide to help me make that decision.