Mormons, Atheists and Nudity

MikeJB · #1 12-21-2003, 10:05 PM

Okay, just thought id bring this up as it has a bit to do with Nudity and Religion. I got a little thing that has been bothering me lately. MY dad *because hes a christian* is against athiests, tolerates Mormons, and is almost totally against being Nude *except for little kids* and so it kinda bugged me. One, that hed be against Atheists, he says they are bad because they are against god and most religions *I dont know if any of this is true or not* and he thinks that any self respecting person would beleive in SOMETHING! Two, he tolerates Mormons because he beleives that they dont understand christianty the way they say they do and he doesny think that they can say they are true god worshippers because they dont beleive in or follow the christian faith *he thinks even though they are mormons they try to follow the christian faith and sometimes think they are christians to escape damnation and be saved*. Three, he is against nudity because he thinks that it is immoral and against what god beleives is right and he think its a sin against god and he just thinks anyone who is nude *other than little kids and other than taking showers, artwork, etc* is bad and he even thinks that nudist photos that I own that are simple nudity, he thinks they are PORNOGRAPHY which alot of them are from legitimate and official websites and wouldnt be thought of as porn by any self respecting law official. I have had several talks with my dad about nudity and he says so many things *mostly the adam/eve nude-sin thing* and just keeps saying all this immodest stuff WITHOUT even giving any reason or a shred of proof that any of what he says is actually true, but somehow he thinks that little kids being nude is CUTE and he thinks that art photos and paintings of nude people are actually educational. I mean he is obviously using a double standard here, saying nudity is bad but yet saying somehow it is good and somehow it isnt but still saying it is a bad thing *the nudity itself* and I just really dont like how he bashes other religious groups like they are evil people and I should AVOID them, ESPECIALLY Athiests and he doesnt even think I should ever get involved with a mormon or Atheist romantically because he says its against gods will because he thinks I should be with someone of the same faith and that somehow its unhealthy or unwise to be with someone else because it might make me stray as he says. I just dont know what to do or say to him and I just would like some advice because he really doesnt even have an open mind on this, he says he does but he really doesnt and he treats what I say as being immature and mostly wrong although he always says im a smart person and that im mature, which is to the contrary of what he saysduring our conversations, which seems rather odd. I just would like some advice from anyone, I dont really beleive alot of the stuff I described here myself I was just quoting what he said. Honestly hed probably think you guys wrre just a bunch of desperate activists wanting something to complain about, now doesnt that sound a bit excessive? I sure would say so!

MikeJB · #2 12-21-2003, 10:05 PM

Okay, just thought id bring this up as it has a bit to do with Nudity and Religion. I got a little thing that has been bothering me lately. MY dad *because hes a christian* is against athiests, tolerates Mormons, and is almost totally against being Nude *except for little kids* and so it kinda bugged me. One, that hed be against Atheists, he says they are bad because they are against god and most religions *I dont know if any of this is true or not* and he thinks that any self respecting person would beleive in SOMETHING! Two, he tolerates Mormons because he beleives that they dont understand christianty the way they say they do and he doesny think that they can say they are true god worshippers because they dont beleive in or follow the christian faith *he thinks even though they are mormons they try to follow the christian faith and sometimes think they are christians to escape damnation and be saved*. Three, he is against nudity because he thinks that it is immoral and against what god beleives is right and he think its a sin against god and he just thinks anyone who is nude *other than little kids and other than taking showers, artwork, etc* is bad and he even thinks that nudist photos that I own that are simple nudity, he thinks they are PORNOGRAPHY which alot of them are from legitimate and official websites and wouldnt be thought of as porn by any self respecting law official. I have had several talks with my dad about nudity and he says so many things *mostly the adam/eve nude-sin thing* and just keeps saying all this immodest stuff WITHOUT even giving any reason or a shred of proof that any of what he says is actually true, but somehow he thinks that little kids being nude is CUTE and he thinks that art photos and paintings of nude people are actually educational. I mean he is obviously using a double standard here, saying nudity is bad but yet saying somehow it is good and somehow it isnt but still saying it is a bad thing *the nudity itself* and I just really dont like how he bashes other religious groups like they are evil people and I should AVOID them, ESPECIALLY Athiests and he doesnt even think I should ever get involved with a mormon or Atheist romantically because he says its against gods will because he thinks I should be with someone of the same faith and that somehow its unhealthy or unwise to be with someone else because it might make me stray as he says. I just dont know what to do or say to him and I just would like some advice because he really doesnt even have an open mind on this, he says he does but he really doesnt and he treats what I say as being immature and mostly wrong although he always says im a smart person and that im mature, which is to the contrary of what he saysduring our conversations, which seems rather odd. I just would like some advice from anyone, I dont really beleive alot of the stuff I described here myself I was just quoting what he said. Honestly hed probably think you guys wrre just a bunch of desperate activists wanting something to complain about, now doesnt that sound a bit excessive? I sure would say so!

greensunshine · #3 12-22-2003, 05:18 AM

Mike,

Your profile doesn't say how old you are, and thus all the posts I have read from you imply that you are younger and less experienced in writting anything where others attempt to read what you have written. I tend to find this particular posting so difficult to read, after attempting to read it several times, I said "Bag It" and moved on to another more intelligent one.

Greensunshine in the Pacific NW [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Where lifes experiences do make a HUGE Difference in life.

PS

The Post you sent me earlier has absolutely no validity based upon lifes experiences and until you have really experienced both the So called Resorts and Public Nude Beaches, I will assume from what you have written, you have no clue as to what you have said to others.

William72 · #4 12-22-2003, 05:44 AM

Greensunshine,
That was totally unnecessary and not helpful.

Mike,
I sense you are very frustrated with your father. First, it is not good to try and "fix" a relationship when you feel the way you do right now. I suggest that you take some time to cool and reflect. Second, you will not be able to argue fact with someone when they are adamant in their beliefs; you can only argue from your personal experience. Find ways to say "nudity has helped me by..."

Hopefully others in the forum will be able to offer additional advice. Good luck!

David77 · #5 12-22-2003, 05:48 AM

I love MikeJB's inquiring mind and his willingness to share his thoughts with us. I think he expresses his thought and feelings very well. I wish everyone would try to think things thru!

#6 12-22-2003, 08:14 AM

You're right, David.

I enjoy reading Mike's posts even though I disagree with him on most points about nudity.

We should focus on the content of what someone says rather than the composition.

Stu

MikeJB · #7 12-22-2003, 08:27 AM

Okay, I guess you guys all deserve an answer since you all seem to be open minded and such, maybe even Stu is. I dont write alot of stuff in my profile because 1. I want people to actually come talk to me where I can explain things better and learn the real me and 2. profiles kind of suck and I just dont like them very much. Im a 19 year old college student and YES if you need a picture of me I can give you a current one, dorky as it might look and even though I may seem like I dont know what im talking about, point is I NEVER SAID I DID and in several posts I mentioned that so I mean everything I say could actually be wrong and I could be seen simply as a nutcase but those are just the things I beleive in and if people post something interesting I wanna be a part of it, especially Stu's posts because they are so negative and illogical that theyre funny and anyone even a stupid person could find loopholes in his logic, not saying his is stupid or anything is wrong with him, he might just be misguided and needs to be shown things in a new light and get a few facts straight. That said, yes that last post was kind of crappy and I shouldve been more thourough and complete in what I said, its probably those ones I write late at night and just kind of ramble on, so if anyone has any issues with it, just reply or give me a personal/private message and ill clear it up for you okay, I hope this helps and if any of you have further questions, please let me know. Thank you.

MikeJB · #8 12-22-2003, 08:32 AM

Greensunshine,
That was totally unnecessary and not helpful.
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Well since the vast majority of you seem to support me although you all seem to have the same issues with me, I just feel I need to stick up for this quote above. I mean yes it was uncalled for, but I think I kinda get what he was trying to say and im sure he was just being honest with what he said, although he frustration at my post mightve made him say things he shouldnt and all he needed to do was take it slow, calm down and think it through. I value everyone's posts, yes even yours Stu, because they are interesting and all of you even if you dont agree with me at all, have good points and say things good and show this debate from all sides of the table. So although I kinda was offended by the way he worded his post, I do get the meaning of what he says and im not really upset at him, I just wanted to clarify what he was most likely saying, I mean I could be wrong but thats just how I see it.

MikeJB · #9 12-22-2003, 08:35 AM

You're right, David.

I enjoy reading Mike's posts even though I disagree with him on most points about nudity.

We should focus on the content of what someone says rather than the composition.

Stu
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Yeah I agree with Stu *shock* *gasp* but anyways yes I do think we should concentrate on the content more because this is a nudist forum not a grammar/sentence structure forum and im sure many people here have different levels of language and writing skills. I mean some people here are professionals at what they do, whereas im only a lowly college student just starting my first semester, so I guess that would be a good example. I mean i think people ought to give comments if there is a big enough error in the writing but the post should mainly focus on the nudity aspect or whatever the post has to deal with concerning nudity.

MikeJB · #10 12-22-2003, 08:41 AM

I love MikeJB's inquiring mind and his willingness to share his thoughts with us. I think he expresses his thought and feelings very well. I wish everyone would try to think things thru!
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Yeah like Stu. I mean from his legal and upbringing standpoint I can understand why he feels the way he does and even if he disagrees with nudity in general alot, that may or may not be his fault. I just think and im sure alot of othe rpeople have good points that Stu's posts are alot of times full of loopholes and not very logical and I just dont think he has all the facts sometimes or thinks things through. Also I just think he needs to think outside the box and that there are more concerns than just the majorities happiness, I mean that is important and crucial but not to the point that Stu tries to ban public nudity. I just think we all could be nude in public and still learn to get along in a grown up and mature way. I mean natives can do it, so obviously humans ARE capable of such things. I just think our legal system ought to give it a try and if it doesnt work then at least theyd have a reason backing their need to ban it. They have no clear reason or proof that simple harmless nudity will hurt anyone and I think most politicians understand that but are scared to actually make the move to make it legal.