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  • A question for our Conservative acquaintances?

    Just what is it that conservatives and the RRR have against sex without consequence?

    The growingly popular Plan "B" after sex-pill continues to be under assault from religious and conservative action groups despite the FDA's testing and investigation and ultimate approval of the drug for over 18s.

    The pill merely prevents pregnancy and does not terminate pregnancies already begun. It removes the fear of unwanted or unintended pregnancies if taken within 72-hours of intercourse and many localities include its use in their ER "rape-kits"

    Please, someone explain to me how this is a bad thing?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20394494/

  • #2
    "RRR" ?

    is that 7 steps more advanced than the KKK ?


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    • #3
      Er, takes awhile for things to sift through to the outback does it? RRR = Radical Religious Right. And I thought Texas was a decade or so out of touch.

      But, yeah, they'ra step or two removed from the Nazis. I'll leave to others to suggest whether those those steps away from or toward.

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      • #4
        Good question. I look forward to the answer.

        There are health professionals in the US who refuse to prescribe or fill prescriptions for the birth control pill because it allegedly is a form of abortion. There are studies to support this in their eyes. I am not a scientist, but I would question these studies, for the record.

        Interesting question usmc.

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        • #5
          My understanding of the way the morning after pill works is that it prevents the fertilized egg from implanting itself into the uteris. The religious argument from those who are so inclined would be that human life begins at conception, and so this is merely another form of abortion.

          Understand that I'm not arguing for this position; I'm merely responding to the original question.

          There are groups which work to protect the sanctity of life in all cases, and they would be opposed to the morning after pill as they are opposed to the death penalty, killing people im war, etc. That position is entirely consistent, has a lot of morality and some scripture on its side, and is worthy of respect.

          The religious right mostly zigzags around a variety of convenient positions, opposing abortion with great emotion while pressing for the death penalty, and rushing toward war. It is without moral consistency, and deserves little respect.

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          • #6
            All the people I know who oppose abortion in all forms consider the death penalty as necessary. They believe in the 'eye for an eye' theme of life. Since the 2 cell thing that will possibly be a human has done no harm, it should have no harm done to it. None the less if the mother is going to die, some believe that is the way God wants it, but the fetus should be kept alive at all costs. It is very contradictory to any logic I can come up with.

            If only these idiologue men would give up on the concept that women are beneath men and they should be controlled we would have a better world. I find it horrible that some people could see no problem with giving a man viagra so he can have the choice of sex, while the women he impregnates has no choice after the fact.

            This is just one of the many reasons I hate the RRR. I have a bumper sticker " Doing my part to piss off the Religious Right ". People ask what I am doing, I reply that just being alive and in America pisses many of them off.

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            • #7
              Let's see if I have this straight:

              The only purposed of sex is procreation. It is evil to engage in such activity for any other reason.

              Contraception is evil as it prevents a human life from being created in addition to the point made above.

              Abortion is evil because it ends a potential human life.

              Let's carry this to its logical conclusion:

              Any female who is not sexually active once menses is reached is destroying a potential human life by not allowing the ova the chance to be fertilized.

              Any male who 'spends' him self in any manner that does not involve intercourse with a female is destroying a potential human life.

              You know something? These right wingers are weird (and dangerous)!

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              • #8
                luvnaturism;

                According to Orthodox Jewish law, there is no prohibition from use of the morning after pill.

                At times according to Orthodox Jewish law, abortion is not only permitted but also recommended. If the life or health of the mother, and yes this can include mental health are threatened, the abortion is recommended.

                Binco;

                An eye for an eye appears in places of the Bible referring to property laws and damages. According to the Talmud it has always meant that if someone harms someone, the one harmed is entitled to financial compensation. It never meant that it provided anyone the right to physically harm someone else.

                harveym;

                From a Jewish law perspective, the following answers are for your points:

                Sex is also for fun and to help promote a special closeness and bond for two people.

                Many forms of contraception are not a problem at all.

                Abortion may in fact be wrong. It is certainly a problem if done for convenience. Men and women can choose to abstain or an acceptable form of birth control. There is no excuse for aborting a six-month old fetus due to convenience. Since a seven-month or older fetus may be able to survive outside of the uterus, it is more of a problem.

                However, as noted above, there are times it is recommended.

                Menses is not causing the destruction. It happens beyond the woman's control. She is not responsible.

                The willful spilling of semen with sperm is potentially a problem. The potential for human life is sacred because human life is sacred.

                However, these are not matters for the government to get involved in. This is why very few Orthodox Jews support the right wing Christian agenda.

                I remember a Georgia State Representative used to say that Republicans complain that Democrats want to be in charge of what is in peoples' pockets. At the same time, Democrats complain that Republicans want to be in charge of what is in peoples' underpants.

                I would prefer the government allow me to run my own life.

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                • #9
                  What I find striking is the total lack of response for the resident dogmatic ideologues to a straight forward and simple question. Especially after their recent rants about 'bias' against them and demanding a 'debate' on issues? Could it be that is exactly want they don't want - just as others have stated was the case?

                  Worthy of respect and logic or the lack thereof has been brought up by posters who have identified themselves as 'conservative' and they make good points with them, actually sounding more 'center' than 'conservative'.

                  It might be time to coin a new label for such as they, as the label 'conservative' has been forever polluted and perverted by the RRR/Neo-Con/Fascist cadre in such that in the eyes and minds of the nation and the world it is forever linked to them just as the "X" rating in films if forever linked to porn flicks.

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                  • #10
                    I have a feeling that sarcasm is not recognized here.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by harveym:
                      I have a feeling that sarcasm is not recognized here.
                      Not recognized? Hell boy, it reigns supreme!

                      But, on the other hand, I don't think it, as well as irony, wryness, and lampoon are always understood as such.

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                      • #12
                        7 steps better than the KKK? That still leaves them far behind the curve.

                        Originally posted by nudebushwalker:
                        "RRR" ?

                        is that 7 steps more advanced than the KKK ?


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                        • #13
                          Sigh. The RIL speaks up ... again. Radical Intolerant Left. All they can do is to accuse those who are on the right of the fence of being hate filled Nazis or close to it. If you look back you will see that an overwhelming number of these chats are started with Liberals mis-labeling those who are not like THEM and accusing them of sexism, racism, and every other intolerance on the face of this earth. Now, if I called them 'anti-war spineless pu**y socialists', I'd be called intolerant, and you folks would be ready to name call me 15 ways to Sunday. (and you know that you would)

                          Why can't they just stop it and stop dragging us into these meaningless discussions that do nothing more than show their inability to accept that they are just as unaccepting of other opinions as the people that they are mis-labeling.

                          Black, Republican and Proud!!

                          Originally posted by usmc1:
                          Er, takes awhile for things to sift through to the outback does it? RRR = Radical Religious Right. And I thought Texas was a decade or so out of touch.

                          But, yeah, they'ra step or two removed from the Nazis. I'll leave to others to suggest whether those those steps away from or toward.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by blackrebel:
                            Sigh. The RIL speaks up ... again. Radical Intolerant Left. All they can do is to accuse those who are on the right of the fence of being hate filled Nazis or close to it. If you look back you will see that an overwhelming number of these chats are started with Liberals mis-labeling those who are not like THEM and accusing them of sexism, racism, and every other intolerance on the face of this earth. Now, if I called them 'anti-war spineless pu**y socialists', I'd be called intolerant, and you folks would be ready to name call me 15 ways to Sunday. (and you know that you would)

                            Why can't they just stop it and stop dragging us into these meaningless discussions that do nothing more than show their inability to accept that they are just as unaccepting of other opinions as the people that they are mis-labeling.

                            Black, Republican and Proud!!

                            quote:
                            Originally posted by usmc1:
                            Er, takes awhile for things to sift through to the outback does it? RRR = Radical Religious Right. And I thought Texas was a decade or so out of touch.

                            But, yeah, they'ra step or two removed from the Nazis. I'll leave to others to suggest whether those those steps away from or toward.


                            And your thoughts on the morning after pill are........?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by usmc1:
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by blackrebel:
                              Sigh. The RIL speaks up ... again. Radical Intolerant Left. All they can do is to accuse those who are on the right of the fence of being hate filled Nazis or close to it. If you look back you will see that an overwhelming number of these chats are started with Liberals mis-labeling those who are not like THEM and accusing them of sexism, racism, and every other intolerance on the face of this earth. Now, if I called them 'anti-war spineless pu**y socialists', I'd be called intolerant, and you folks would be ready to name call me 15 ways to Sunday. (and you know that you would)

                              Why can't they just stop it and stop dragging us into these meaningless discussions that do nothing more than show their inability to accept that they are just as unaccepting of other opinions as the people that they are mis-labeling.

                              Black, Republican and Proud!!

                              quote:
                              Originally posted by usmc1:
                              Er, takes awhile for things to sift through to the outback does it? RRR = Radical Religious Right. And I thought Texas was a decade or so out of touch.

                              But, yeah, they'ra step or two removed from the Nazis. I'll leave to others to suggest whether those those steps away from or toward.


                              And your thoughts on the morning after pill are........?

                              Thank you, I was myself the same thing. Thank you USMC1.

                              Nothing sadder than a black man who is a republican...sad sad sad, just sad. SAD I tell you, JUST SAD

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