Jack Abramoff's Plea

[nacktman]

[Nudesunbather]

On both sides.

[jon71]

The corruption isn't on both sides. Abramoff gave 100% of his direct contributions to Republicans. The pacs he gave to gave 98% of their money to Republicans. Look at Delay's criminal activity and Bush's illegal wire taps. Felonious behavior and lack of morals is very much a Republican thing. I know there are a few exceptions but mostly to join the g.o.p. you have to check your conscience at the door.

[Nudesunbather]

Wow-------not a partisan bone in your body eh???

Support our troops. Continue winning the Iraq war.

[usmc1]

Originally posted by Nudesunbather:
Wow-------not a partisan bone in your body eh???

Support our troops. Continue winning the Iraq war.

Nope, it's the Republicans that are going to weep over this one. yeah there may be a few Dems, but, it is a GOP scandle of historic proportion.

http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/01/following-abramof...ey-and-it-didnt.html

Winning the war in Iraq?, you must be an Islamic jihadist if you think your troops are winning the war in Iraq.

Because my American troops are not winning any war--they do not have enough troops to win, their equipment is at the point of disrepair, their political leaders not only have no strategy for "winning" they have also lost the support of the people for the war.

Tactically we do what we have always done, kick butt and take names, but we are an occupying force fighting guerillas and insurgents in a country that is doing its best to split into three or four armed camps and that views our presence as part of the problem.

We are not winning the war, our troops have been betrayed by an administration--look, do you not understand this, our men and women have been put in death's way for a political/economic agenda that has nothing at all to do with terrorism?

I wish my pal Hackworth was still with us. He would be reaming some people by now!

This whole mess in Iraq is even more cynical than was Viet Nam. The squandering of the lives of our brave warriors for no purpose. We ahve to take up collections so our fighters can buy Sappies.

Here, a site where our snipers come to mooch equipment because our government has put them in Death's world without the proper gear.

http://americansnipers.org/sniperletters.html

You really want to support the troops, buy a sappie for a kid that doesn't have one and work your butt off to get them out of this mess..and then do your best to see that we never ever again allow our government to do this to our military.

But, back to topic, we ain't winning jack!

I also suspect you're going to hear from a another former snake eater in a bit.

[nacktman]

And just who would that other 'former snake eater' be?

I posted this poll to find out if people thought the corruption in Washington will be brought to light even more so with the plea agreement, so far it appears they do.
The corruption is systemic but it has always been more pervasive on the right side of the aisle and this plea agreement from a far right wing 'lobbyist' has only opened the pandoras box lid even wider than it already has been.
The great big short term 'winners' are the various charity organizations that have received a windfall with the infusion of funds given by those that were given monies by this same 'lobbyist' in their efforts to stave off investigations into the possiblity of their taking bribes.
The great long term winners will be the American people who can hopefully look to a more honest government. Senators McCain and Liberman have already annouced they intend on formulating laws to curb the type of 'lobbyist' Abramoff was and this time they may just be able to get the job done because of Abramoff.
While no one in their right mind would think that all lobbyists and lobbying for a particular item will suddenly vanish and never reappear from Washington (heck for the local town hall for that matter) those with an independent mind can and do expect the pervasive corruption to be eliminated.

And to the point about supporting our troops...the best way is to bring them out of Iraq for without any strategy we are not winning anything much less a war, which I seem to recall was declared over, over a year ago by president bush.

In Vietnam we won the days but lost the nights, in Iraq we don't even win the days.
But, look on the bright side we did end up winning in Vietnam after we pulled troops out and let McDonalds and Pepsi and other companies move in so just use the same tactic now and no Haliburton doesn't qualify because the mass populus doesn't want what Halibuton is 'selling' they want MickyD's and Soda Pop.

[jon71]

You're on to something nacktman. Republicans like to say Reagan and Bush I won the cold war but they're wrong, Michael Jackson did. He had help from Levi Strauss, Ronald McDonald, and Martha Quinn among others. The only Republicans who did any good were Schwarzenegger and Eastwood. The Soviets wanted our blue jeans, our movies, our music, our tv. even our hamburgers. Along with that ideas about freedom and liberty and the American way of life piggy backed along. It was no accident that the U.S.S.R. banned the game monopoly. They feared the power of ideas. Our military is the best trained and most capable in the world but they will not win Iraq. M.tv. might.

[NudeTopher]

Originally posted by nacktman:
What do you think of Jack Abramoff's plea agreement with government prosecutors?

Obviously there will be fallout and the exposure of corruption on both sides of the aisle. However, the bulk of Abramoof's money did go to GOPers. This will create quite a problem for the party that loves telling the public how they are the moral, church-going party.

All things considered, I wish I had bought stock Charmin before Jack decided to sing. No doubt toilets all over DC are flushing nonstop.

[Nudesunbather]

"Winning the war in Iraq?, you must be an Islamic jihadist if you think your troops are winning the war in Iraq."


WOW!!!!! That's a sad statement.

[usmc1]

Originally posted by Nudesunbather:
"Winning the war in Iraq?, you must be an Islamic jihadist if you think your troops are winning the war in Iraq."


WOW!!!!! That's a sad statement.

That would be correct! Sad beyond some's abilities to comprehend, apparently.

[ken0254]

How interesting that the talking heads of Hannity and Rush seem to put all the emphasis on the Dems that got caught up in Abramoff's little web of corruption. Gee.... what happened to the "fair and balanced" reporting that we always hear about???

ken

[nacktman]

Yep, Ken tis a mite funny isn't it.

[usmc1]

Here it comes!

http://www.texasobserver.org/showArt...p?ArticleID=13

[hm0504]

Originally posted by usmc1:

quote:

Originally posted by Nudesunbather:
"Winning the war in Iraq?, you must be an Islamic jihadist if you think your troops are winning the war in Iraq."


WOW!!!!! That's a sad statement.

That would be correct! Sad beyond some's abilities to comprehend, apparently.

Wasn't it always Bush's goal to change Iraq from a secular, anti-Iranian, anti-Al Qaeda state into an Islamic, pro-Iranian, Al Qaeda stronghold?

[nacktman]

Yep, hm0504 it was and look how well he succeded.