Has anyone else noticed?

[nacktman]

Has anyone else noticed the threads that have discussions on topic seem to be troll free and that threads where discussion has been brought back to topic that the trolls run away quickly.

I suppose the fact that bile and vitroil are not acceptable is beginning to sink in (ok, one can hope). I can think of at least three topics where discussion has kept the trolling ones away and two where the threads were wrested away from the trolls by those having a discussion on the threads topic (there have been numerous threads closed because of troll infestations and whining, but that is another topic).

It has been discussed that the post count is down here at CFF and I say that is a good thing for the moment ... for it was the same said trolls and their kindred that pushed the post count so high in the first place. Now that discussions are taking place and the wider realization that the trolls are waning, the post count will increase ... though we do need to have some 'new' topics to discuss from the earth shattering to the mundane ... any ideas ... and please no razor themed or rising themed ones, ok?!

[usmc1]

Originally posted by nacktman:
Has anyone else noticed the threads that have discussions on topic seem to be troll free and that threads where discussion has been brought back to topic that the trolls run away quickly.

I suppose the fact that bile and vitroil are not acceptable is beginning to sink in (ok, one can hope). I can think of at least three topics where discussion has kept the trolling ones away and two where the threads were wrested away from the trolls by those having a discussion on the threads topic (there have been numerous threads closed because of troll infestations and whining, but that is another topic).

It has been discussed that the post count is down here at CFF and I say that is a good thing for the moment ... for it was the same said trolls and their kindred that pushed the post count so high in the first place. Now that discussions are taking place and the wider realization that the trolls are waning, the post count will increase ... though we do need to have some 'new' topics to discuss from the earth shattering to the mundane ... any ideas ... and please no razor themed or rising themed ones, ok?!

C'mon dude, they merely pulled back into their base camp to suck on some suds, debrief each other, rearm and get their talking points in order.

They're already attempting to minimize and obfuscate the Walter Reed scandal.

But, you're right, debate has been civil and mostly knowlegeable, even death penalty posts, well almost, maybe, kind of sort of.

I'm afraid the games are about to resume, and some of us are going to be required to move to the sound of gunfire.

[shomymojo]

Now that you guys mention it...things do seem rather peaceful around here lately...

[OZJames]

Shomymojo - QUOTE -

rather peaceful around here lately

Do you mean boring ?

A year or so ago when I joined there were lots of vitriolic comment, critism of each other's comments, arguments with Stu, threads being lead astray, firey comments from Cyndianne (? spelling), strong religious and anti religious comments etc. Now we are all controlled by religiously enforced TOS, fear that we may upset somebody's sensitivity, legal and many other restrictions of our FREEDOM of SPEECH.

Even the fun and humour sections are less despite tha fabulous efforts of Nacktman to maintain the rage.

The world is too full of rules to moderate our behavour, work health and safety rules, restrictions on what we can do and what we can wear and where we can wear it, where we can and can't go. Young people find it difficult to find excitement in their lives so they resort to drugs.

Lets revive a bit of anarchy

JAMES

[Tampanude]

I've noticed a prominant tilt toward political and religious topics rather than positive nudist discussion. "Trolls" or others that have hijacked threads merely encourage those seeking positive nudist threads and discussions to seek other venues.

just an observation

[nacktman]

Tampanude, seeking positive nudist threads is all well and good but we are not defined solely by one thing or at least most of us aren't ... ain't too sure about 'Cuzin Wilber', ya know.

Topics need to be varied as people are varied. The lamentable thing is when those with small and closed minds infest and distort a topic using bile and vitroil to attack and revile then whine about being called to task for it by others seeking to have/continue a discussion on the topic at hand.
It is hoped that these same said individuals will forebear to loose their spew elsewhere.
Differences are to be encouraged and civility should be the decorum standard, (ok, a little 'anarchy' for our friend(s) Down Under).

Homogeniality is what breeds the small and closed minded trolls in the first place and no 'open forum' should be homogeneous, if it is, it is not an open forum but a mutual society. Which is not a bad thing in and of itself ... but you do not go to a meeting of Dale Ernhardt fans wearing a Jeff Gordon tee-shirt -- you're just asking to be beat up, however, going to a NASCAR fans meeting wearing a Jeff Gordon (ok, sorry, bad example, you're still asking to be beat up), tee-shirt is all right.

[luvnaturism]

I wonder if I'm the only one with a long history here who thinks that this thread is hilarious?

[RalphVa]

The winter has caused recession of our male parts. We're tamer.

[alfredr]

I hadn't noticed, but I have limited time for the computer. I just thought we had a couple of good discussions going. And in these discussions, it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable, not that anyone's FREEDOM OF SPEECH is being restricted.

I'm not sure I understand the definition of troll.

[Guest]

Hi alfredr,

To answer your question about trolls....i found some very useful and factual information and hope that it helps.

What motivates a troll? Some motivations are:

Attention seeking. These types of trolls love to take over a chat with anger and profanity. They love when the other chatters or forum members feed into their games. Trolls will also break the terms of usage just to see if any action will be taken or just how far they can push the rules.

Amusement is another motive.

Boredom is another. For example, a bored teenager may begin talking about gross or sexually explicit things just to get a reaction from older chatters.

Wasting time is also something trolls do in chats or forums, and they do it with little effort.

Trolls love the domino effect. They will post a small offensive post, and the members of the chat community will grab it and run with it until the whole room is out of control. Meanwhile the troll is sitting behind the screen laughing his butt off, watching the community make fools of themselves. Trolls may also post negative remarks towards a race, gender or sexual preferences just for the pleasure of causing a ruckus.

There are times when innocent people are mistaken for trolls because they come into the chat or forums seeking help and talk about disturbing situations regarding such things as family, relationships, or addictions. New chatters who are not accustom to chat etiquette can be mistaken for trolls. Once they learn our "chatiquette," they become assets to the online community.

Dealing with Trolls
When a troll is acting out, some things you can do are:

Use the ignore feature. This blocks out the offensive remarks. This is the best way to handle a troll in chat when there is no host present. Imagine the frustration the troll will feel when no one pays any attention to anything it says!

Leave that room and chat in another room, or walk away from the computer.

Step back and allow the host or moderator to handle the situation. This is really the best idea when a host is present (along with using Ignore if what is being said by the troll is disturbing or triggering to you). Chatters may think that action is not being taken because they don't see it happening in open chat, but what a chatter does not realize is a lot of interactions that take place between hosts and trolls take place behind the scenes in private chats. A host cannot do the job effectively if the regular chatters are sending private messages at the same time. Please keep that in mind the next time a troll visits chat.

On the forums, never reply to a troll's message, unless it is to say "I'm reporting this post as a violation." (If you've reported it and say so, a dozen others won't also think they need to report it.) Forum moderators will take action on troll posts as quickly as possible, and we appreciate it very much when community members help by reporting these posts to us.

When the online community and the hosts or moderators work together and collectively ignore the trolls, usually they will get bored and leave.

Allie

[usmc1]

"Oh wad some power the giftie gie us to see oursels as others see us..."

I am flat out howling right now! I do not think I have laughed so hard since old lady Cavanaugh found mister's pint of Cream of Kentucky out behind the corncrib.

The games have begun!

[Guest]

Hi Again Alfredr,

I researched some additional information concerning the definition of a troll. Hope it helps you and others to understand what a troll is all about.

A "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

A classic troll is trying to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate science.

Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.

Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator.

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Allie

[Nude in the North]

Originally posted by luvnaturism:
I wonder if I'm the only one with a long history here who thinks that this thread is hilarious?

Nope.

[Sanslines]

Originally posted by luvnaturism:
I wonder if I'm the only one with a long history here who thinks that this thread is hilarious?

Nope, not at all luvnaturism. Allie posted some very informative definitions of a troll too!

[LamontCranston]

But, you're right, debate has been civil and mostly knowlegeable, even death penalty posts, well almost, maybe, kind of sort of.

Right Nackty, but isn't it boring? You and usmc1 making speeches to an empty room?

You two remind me of Michael Dukakis; a lot of good ideas but no one hears them from under that landslide.

... and I can't be the only one who sees that around here "mostly knowlegeable" means "agreeing with Nackty."

And that's Lamont's view from under the bridge..