Super Tuesday

[NuTex]

So the field is down to two for the Dem party: Kerry or Edwards. Since obviously my first choice is long gone I think I'll vote Edwards tomorrow. Of the two remaining he's a little more to my liking on some issues than Kerry. If nothing else to encourage a Kerry/ Edwards ticket. A recent poll (for what little it's worth)showed that a Kerry/Edward team could beat Bush/Cheney 50-42 (remainder undecided).

ABB.

Anybody have other preferences?
NuTex

[namedun]

I can't beleive there are those among you still considering voting for Bush. Almost everything that man has done has been bad for your country. He is also the first president that I know of to ignore and supercede the wishes of the most democratic entity humans have ever created, the UN, and he did it to attack another country under false pretenses and without any provocation.
As much as I don't like to admit it, you are the most influencial country in the world, so do the world a favor and vote against Bush.

Namedun [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

[fred950]

While my first choice, Gen. Clarke, dropped out just before the Wis. primary, I got to admit Edwards made a very favorable impression. When he told of his father losing his job at the textile mills, he connected with a lot of people here in Kenosha.
In the late eighties Chrysler bought out American Motors, appearently for the sole perpose of gaining control of Jeep. At that time, Chrysler Chairman Lee Liar-cooca promised at least five more years of auto production. The Kenosha AMC workers responed by giving Chrysler the highest quality ratings of any plant in the Chrysler system. The promised five years of production lasted only six months. 5,500 workers were out of a long-term job...That in a city of only about 84,000. Now, only the engine plant remains, and there hasn't been a new hire in decades. At one point, Kenosha had American Motors/Nash, Simmons Mattress, Peter Pirsch Fire Engines, A-Allen Hosery, Snap-On Tools, Jockey Mensware to name a few. Now that Snap-On has closed the Kenosha manufactoring plant (along with Mt Hebron,IL) my home town is becoming just another bedroom community for Chicago and Milwaukee.
Face it, with the current Administration and Congress, we have been transfromed from a Nation "Of the People, By the People, For the People" into one "Of the Corperation, By the Corperation, For the Corperation. Let those at the botom eat cake." [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]

[ncognito66]

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I can't beleive there are those among you still considering voting for Bush. Almost everything that man has done has been bad for your country.

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Let's see, the tax cut was sorely needed. I sure put that to good use. The economy runs in cycles so it doesn't matter who the President is really, but more money in my pocket is always better.

The U.N. is a joke, all talk and no action. I can imagine how my household would be if I told my children 17 times to do something and then never punished them for disobeying. So once again the most influential country in the world had to put their foot down. So know you have Libya and Iran coming forward with previously unknown info, because they're afraid they'll be next.

I think I'll vote for Bush this year, and maybe write him in for the next 3 elections.

[ncognito66]

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In the late eighties Chrysler bought out American Motors.....

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And the late eighties applies to this President how?

There's one good reason why automakers are moving elsewhere...can you say UAW boys and girls???

[Paniga]

I'm still trying to figure this out still. Yes i'm young but how can bush win the white house when he lost the popular vote.
Gore 50,996,116
Bush 50,456,169
i'm pretty sure any other country the person with the MOST votes win.
I have ppl tell me that he won the ELECTORAL VOTES. So dosnt this mean that the voters vote dont count. Cause this means a person with 0 votes can win the white house.
And reading up on the electoral college since
there wasnt a absolute majority, the House of Representatives chose Bush to be the leader of the states. I may be wrong but hey that they way i see it


"The U.N. is a joke, all talk and no action."
Come on they told the U.S. there WASNT WMD's in iraq. all the other counrtys said they would help if you should EVEIDENCE there was, everyone kept asking for proof but bush wouldnt hand it over cause he knew there wasnt WMD's, He was just upset that saddam tried to kill daddy, and he wasnt going let saddam get away with it. I remember readin where the states were great pals with iraq at one time, then tossed them aside after they (the u.s.) got what they wanted

[dancin\'bare]

American politics are so sad. Arnold won in California on a platform of just being Arnold. Clinton got impeached for getting a blowjob in the oval office, and yet George Bush can lie to the American people and the rest of the world so his friends can make money?

[Nude in the North]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paniga:
[QB] I'm still trying to figure this out still. Yes i'm young but how can bush win the white house when he lost the popular vote.
Gore 50,996,116
Bush 50,456,169

It's pretty simple. The Election is run on a state by state basis. Not on a popular "total" vote. Your vote counts in Your state.
A candidate might win the large states such as NY, Cal, Fla, by a narrow margin of votes, and lose the smaller states by wide margins. The total national popular vote may be in favor of the loser but the election go's to the one that carried the most Big states.
It's not the first time this has happened, and won't be the last.
The election is over.

There will be another one in November.

Steve

[Trailscout]

Positions of the Candidates on Hot Button Issues:

Decision 2004

With Gephart out of the running, the only candidate who won't allow babies to be butchered is Bush.

I don't believe Bush is a liar about WMD, he simply heard things the way he wanted to and ignored the rest. That is not a commendable trait, however.

Bush inherited the conflict in Iraq and broke the stalemate that was starving the Iraqi people. By the time it passed to him, war was mandatory. His administration has not managed the occupation well at first, but they seem to be getting better at it. I still don't see what will prevent Iraq from becoming a Shiite Islamic republic that stomps on the rights of women, Kurds and Sunnis.

Bush inherited overseas job outsourcing, immigration chaos, the Dot.com burst bubble, and resulting massive unemployment from the Democrats. His tax cut helped jumpstart the recovery, but so far it remains a jobless recovery. Bush is praising the virtues of the free market as "mission-critical" jobs and entire industries head overseas.

For all his ineptitude, I have reason to believe that fewer babies will be butchered under Bush than under any of the current Democratic candidates. Bush has my vote.

Now lest we lose our sense of humor, click on the following:
George Bush fun link

[Guest]

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With Gephart out of the running, the only candidate who won't allow babies to be butchered is Bush.

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Nobody is butchering babies.

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I don't believe Bush is a liar about WMD, he simply heard things the way he wanted to and ignored the rest. That is not a commendable trait, however.

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It is more than not commendable, it's lead us into a war that killed and miamed a lot of people. At least Clinton's BJ didn't kill anyone.

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Bush inherited the conflict in Iraq and broke the stalemate that was starving the Iraqi people. By the time it passed to him, war was mandatory.

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Why do you feel it was mandatory? All reasons given for immediate action have been proven to be false.[qb]

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His administration has not managed the occupation well at first, but they seem to be getting better at it. I still don't see what will prevent Iraq from becoming a Shiite Islamic republic that stomps on the rights of women, Kurds and Sunnis.

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And that is exactly why his dad didn't topple Saddam. He saw no solution. GW didn't think. He just did what he wanted with flimsy evidence that was really not evidence at all.

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Bush inherited overseas job outsourcing, immigration chaos, the Dot.com burst bubble, and resulting massive unemployment from the Democrats. His tax cut helped jumpstart the recovery, but so far it remains a jobless recovery. Bush is praising the virtues of the free market as "mission-critical" jobs and entire industries head overseas.

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Yup, I have a nudist friend that works for Earthlink. She's losing her job as of March 16th because they are sending those jobs overseas. As for the unemployment, it's higher now than it was when he took office. We have an epidemic of FAMILIES living on the streets now, yes even little children.[qb]

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For all his ineptitude, I have reason to believe that fewer babies will be butchered under Bush than under any of the current Democratic candidates. Bush has my vote.

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If you are referring to abortion please say so instead of using inflammatory speech. Tell me how abortions are reduced with him in office, especially since he's basicly done away with education on condoms and birth control (which was taught in conjunction with abstinence) in favor of an abstinence only program that historically increases pregnancies and therefore abortions. The proof is in the figures, available to anyone that takes the time to Google them.

[hm0504]

Paniga wrote:

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I'm still trying to figure this out still. Yes i'm young but how can bush win the white house when he lost the popular vote.
Gore 50,996,116
Bush 50,456,169
i'm pretty sure any other country the person with the MOST votes win.

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Actually, in many, if not most, democratic countries I can think of, the leader is not necessarily the one who has received the most votes. Many countries, like yours and mine -- Canada, have electoral systems where someone can win an election while not having won most of the popular vote. You can think of the U.S. Electoral College system as somewhat like our Canadian riding system, except that we do not vote for our leader directly, rather we vote for our local member and whichever political party wins the most ridings gets the first opportunity to try and form a government.

For physically large countries like the U.S. and Canada, their respective electoral systems help balance regional preferences with individual voter preferences. Sometimes, the result based on the numbers (forget politics) can make one wonder about if was as equitable as it could have been, but probably no one has come up with the perfect system yet, and indeed there may be no such thing.

Some quotations...

Winston Churchill:

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Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have
been tried.

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Here's a Russian site with a few others:
http://democracy.ru/english/quotes.php

[HedonistEMT]

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For all his ineptitude, I have reason to believe that fewer babies will be butchered under Bush than under any of the current Democratic candidates. Bush has my vote.

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Fewer babies would be "butchered", as you call it, if women and teens had more access to birth control. But since Bush has pushed his "abstinence only" religious dogma, you will see a lot more of those women seeking abortions.

And if that's the major reason you're voting for Bush, then you have a very narrow view point. There are a lot more important issues in this country than abortion. How about health care, homelessness, housing, crime, and hunger? Worry about the children we already have that are in the foster care system rather that worry about the ones who will potentially end up there also.

My 2 cents [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[namedun]

Wouldn't everything just be way easier and democratic if we made all the decisions by referendum?

Namedun [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

[Naturist Mark]

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[qb] Wouldn't everything just be way easier and democratic if we made all the decisions by referendum?[/qb]

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That is very nearly what happens in California.

But it turns out to be so expensive to wage a referendum campaign that the process is controlled by millionaires and corporations, quite a few of which are located outside California's borders.

That kind of "checkbook democracy" is not quite what the rest of us should aspire to.

-Mark

[hm0504]

Namedun wrote:

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Wouldn't everything just be way easier and democratic if we made all the decisions by referendum?

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A referendum is good for that rare issue that is not deeply interwoven with other issues. Some say that one of the reasons California has had its recent political maelstrom, is people voting in such a way that inconsistent policies need to be enacted (eg. I vote to double spending on X, Y, and Z; I vote to cut taxes by half; I vote for mandatory balanced budgets.).

I admire California for its brazen use of referenda but still have to regard it as an inconclusive experiment.