Democrats are no better. Why many have left it.

[Revolutionary]

Maybe this is the alternative to the topic "Bush bashing". I have to say that I came from a working class background and my parents served in the local Democratic Party. However, I just find nothing that is attractive about the party anymore.

In a time when the word "globalization" is gives multinational corporations a collective orgasm one would think that the Democrats would then strengthen their connection with working-class Americans. Yeah, right, Bill "lookit folk, I'm a poor boy who dines with the rich now" Clinton gave us NAFTA and other programs that encouraged business to shut down here and relocate. Bush economic policy is almost identical with that of Clinton's and Clinton 2 (Hillary) would give us the same.

Yeah, the Democrats claim to support the environment, but large multinational pals could care less about regulations on logging and such (they just go to Brazil and Siberia and tear up the land and are not forced to reclaim it as they would be in the USA).

Democrats say they are pro-education but refuse to consider vouchers to allow kids to go to school where they want (and take the money allocated for them to any school or district they choose). The socialists in Sweden have a voucher system and it works great. Dems just care about what the teacher's union wants.

I could go on and on but all I see the Democrats today as is a party that wants to look like the Republicans yet all it can offer is mocking of Bush.

[Revolutionary]

Maybe this is the alternative to the topic "Bush bashing". I have to say that I came from a working class background and my parents served in the local Democratic Party. However, I just find nothing that is attractive about the party anymore.

In a time when the word "globalization" is gives multinational corporations a collective orgasm one would think that the Democrats would then strengthen their connection with working-class Americans. Yeah, right, Bill "lookit folk, I'm a poor boy who dines with the rich now" Clinton gave us NAFTA and other programs that encouraged business to shut down here and relocate. Bush economic policy is almost identical with that of Clinton's and Clinton 2 (Hillary) would give us the same.

Yeah, the Democrats claim to support the environment, but large multinational pals could care less about regulations on logging and such (they just go to Brazil and Siberia and tear up the land and are not forced to reclaim it as they would be in the USA).

Democrats say they are pro-education but refuse to consider vouchers to allow kids to go to school where they want (and take the money allocated for them to any school or district they choose). The socialists in Sweden have a voucher system and it works great. Dems just care about what the teacher's union wants.

I could go on and on but all I see the Democrats today as is a party that wants to look like the Republicans yet all it can offer is mocking of Bush.

[ncnudlady]

Mock the shrub? Being Democratic has nothing to do with it. An idiot is an idiot.

And do not forget it is the repubicans who changed their party's image to be more like the Democrats over the last fifty years, not the other way. All one has to do is ask anyone living during WWII to know when the republicans started to make themselves over to look like Democrats. That is why the conservatives are thought of as extreme right wing because the republican party has moved toward Democratic party ideals and marginalized them. This has led to the criminal activity that stole the last two elections from the American people by said conservatives.

Therefore there is NO alternatative to the bush bashing thread. Any where conservative propoganda attempts to lie and call it truth the truth will come out and it won't be want conservatives want you to hear!

[hm0504]

A very wise comedian, Rick Mercer, said in our last Canadian election that a lot of people do not vote because they just considered it to be choosing the lesser of two evils. Then Rick looked straight into the camera and said "Vote, because it is VERY important to choose the lesser of two evils!"

[Boreas]

Got to like Rick!

I bet he is having fun these days with the shenangans on our political scene!

[Sanslines]

Sadly, these topics have become nothing more then people expressing pure hatred towards one party or the other. Hatred always reflects back on the person doing the hatred. Intelligent and mature people (of which there are many) will rise up above all of the hatred and focus on discusing or debating issues. Our Democracy is based upon people of very different backgrounds expressing their thoughts and opinions on different topics that face us as a nation. In the end a compromise must be reached in order to get anything accomplished. Mature politicians of both parties know this and even though they may disagree with one another strongly, they never stoop to launching personal attacks. The truth here is that unless someone personally knows Bush or Clinton or whoever, then launching personal attacks against the person is childish and reflects more on the person hurling the insults. Another truth is that there are people of both parties who work hard to accomplish something that will benefit this country. Sadly, the media tends to focus on those politicians who do nothing more then spread hatred and refuse to offer any solutions to the problems at hand. Real Liberals keep open minds and listen to everyone without making a decision as to where they stand on issues. Maby more people would be tempted to respond to these topics if the ugliness of hatred is stopped and people start debating the real problems (which are the issues) and remain respectful to each other.

[nacktman]

Politicians are liars pure and simple.
Republicans just happen to be the worse of the major parties. With the Democrats there is at least a faint hope of something positive coming out of their mouths and actions, while there is absoultly none for what comes out of Republican mouths.

As to personal attacks, to call something for what it is is not a personal attack it is honesty and VERY AMERICAN. Hiding behind and whining about the 'personal attacks' myth is neither honest nor very American. Bush is a drunk, inconsiderate, lying imbecile and to name him as such is factual and honest.
Respect is earned not given and Bush has earned no respect but he has earned all the scorn that can be heaped upon him by his actions throughout his life.

Liberals DO have open minds and can think for themselves.
So, what does it say when more and more are speaking with the same voice and are being joined by more and more 'moderates'? Not to mention more and more Republicans are beginning to sound like Democrats when speaking about issues and about the current farce in the White House?

Before any attempt to think I just contradicted myself, wrong...if they are sounding like Democrats on the same issues then those Republicans probally are Democrats in philosophy and should officially switch their affiliation.
Senator John McCain is a Democrat in his philosophy but is a registered Republican and the Radical Right Wing Republican Junta does not like him for it now do they.

It is time for the conservatives to wake up, their regin of terror is over. The nightmare the world has suffered because of them has ended and it will not be allowed to darken this nation or the world again.

The criminal activities that stole the elections for the conservatives and their puppet are exposed and will be prosecuted. So, in some ways having that idiot in the White House has changed the world by helping to unite it against the darkess.

[usmc1]

The top stories of moronic behavior in 2005 - find the Democrat?

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=2&id=6694

[MJ_KC]

quote:

Originally posted by nacktman:
It is time for the conservatives to wake up, their regin of terror is over. The nightmare the world has suffered because of them has ended and it will not be allowed to darken this nation or the world again.

The Democratic choices in the last two elections were worse than Bush. That is why this Democrat had no problem at all voting for Bush twice. Even knowing what I know today, I would stll have made the same choice.

[Conor B]

let's see, two sons of privilege and influence who non-the -less voluteered to fight in a higly unpoplular war one with multiple decorations, both devoted their entire adult life to public service rather than exploitng their connections for simple wealth, both have seriously applied themselves intellectually and emotionally to issues of national and international good, both actually have travelled to other lands and offered to America true informed understanding of our world ....

And they are not as good as a white-knuckling, non-AA ex-drunk who drove every company he had any true hand in running into the ground before being allowed to buy into a baseball team b/c (as w/all his deals) his dad was pres and b/c his main role would be PR, who used his generationns of family connections to avaid the war, who had traveled outside the US at best twice, who has no intellectual curiosity, sees the entire world in black and white (that is with me or agin' me), and only experience in govt was as an enforcer for his Dad the Pres and as a governor in a state where the governor is weaker than in any other state.

I'm sorry, I know the elections are over but the man is and was a liar, a moral imbecile, a rage-aholic, a dry drunk, an intellectual slacker and a demogogic charlatan.

Gore and Kerry were lousy candidates, neither was my first choice, but worse than Bush? C'mon! Do you actually think that this war would have been so foolishly executed? That our country would be ruled by a philophy of maintaining power through keeping the country polarized? To Fight a war where no one outside of the milirary sacrifices? To wage war on science while hiding behind a made-up war on Christmas? I'm sorry, this is one bad bad president.

Do The Dems Need To Do Better Than They Have ?Yes.

So does our country

[hickory1945]

Come on man don't hold back let it all out
Hickory

[TimO\'C]

quote:

Originally posted by Conor B:
let's see, two sons of privilege and influence who non-the -less voluteered to fight in a higly unpoplular war one with multiple decorations, both devoted their entire adult life to public service rather than exploitng their connections for simple wealth, both have seriously applied themselves intellectually and emotionally to issues of national and international good, both actually have travelled to other lands and offered to America true informed understanding of our world ....

And they are not as good as a white-knuckling, non-AA ex-drunk who drove every company he had any true hand in running into the ground before being allowed to buy into a baseball team b/c (as w/all his deals) his dad was pres and b/c his main role would be PR, who used his generationns of family connections to avaid the war, who had traveled outside the US at best twice, who has no intellectual curiosity, sees the entire world in black and white (that is with me or agin' me), and only experience in govt was as an enforcer for his Dad the Pres and as a governor in a state where the governor is weaker than in any other state.

I'm sorry, I know the elections are over but the man is and was a liar, a moral imbecile, a rage-aholic, a dry drunk, an intellectual slacker and a demogogic charlatan.

Gore and Kerry were lousy candidates, neither was my first choice, but worse than Bush? C'mon! Do you actually think that this war would have been so foolishly executed? That our country would be ruled by a philophy of maintaining power through keeping the country polarized? To Fight a war where no one outside of the milirary sacrifices? To wage war on science while hiding behind a made-up war on Christmas? I'm sorry, this is one bad bad president.

Do The Dems Need To Do Better Than They Have ?Yes.

So does our country

You would have at least a little credibility if 1) you acknowledged that Kerry opportunistically married his money, 2) you tried to understand why Gore's own state went for Bush in 2000, perhaps they know something you don't, and 3) you gave up all the tired old ad hominem attacks on Bush and actually addressed the merits of his policies. Slinging the same old mud that Bush-haters have for years and expecting that to pass for persuasive analysis suggests only that your prejudices are deep-seated and you are not interested in reasoned debate.

I take serious issue with many of Mr. Bush's policies myself, but I also recall in the immediate aftermath of 9-11 that even some senior Democrats on the Hill were privately saying Thank God it's Bush in office to react to this, and not Gore. BTW, as I recall, Bush's GPA was higher than Kerry's or Gore's. Yet Bush is the idiot?

If you can set aside all the colorful adjectives and personal attacks and deal with what Mr. Bush has actually done and why, your statements would receive more respect.

[TimO\'C]

quote:

Originally posted by ncnudlady:
This has led to the criminal activity that stole the last two elections from the American people by said conservatives.

Oh please. I agree with you that the Republicans have drifted far from their roots. But let's put to rest that tired old lie that the election was "stolen," okay? The fact is, Mr. Gore was trying to steal the election himself and almost succeeded, through one of the most egregious perversions of the rule of law in our nation's history, by the Florida Supreme Court. Even the chief justice of that court issued a blistering dissent attacking his own colleagues for their decision favoring Gore; he said it would go down in the history books as one of the worst judicial travesties on record. And the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with him by a 7-2 vote, NOT 5-4 as is commonly believed. That's not just "the conservative wing stealing the election for Bush." And even the New York Times acknowledged that multiple post-election recounts of the Florida ballots, paid for by several different sources, all confirmed that Bush won. Without exception or question. So whatever you think of either party, it is untrue and dishonest to continue flogging the lie that the election was "stolen" for Bush.

[jon71]

Reality is that Bush did not win the 2000 election. Every recount gave Gore the honest win. It was a 5-4 decision to ignore the votes. As for 9-11 Bush talked big and did nothing. He completely abandoned the war on terror. He is a bigger wimp than his dad and you know Bin Laden was wanting him to stay in office. Face facts, Bush is a failure. Yes, I'm a Bush hater because I'm an America lover. The two are inseperable.

[MJ_KC]

quote:

Originally posted by Conor B:
Gore and Kerry were lousy candidates

That is it in a nutshell. It wasn't that Bush was a great choice, but rather that the Democratic nominees were even worse.