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**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 07:38 PM

I guess this one may get me kicked off the forum, but it needs to be brought forward. Cyndianne you will especially like this one and hate me even more, I'm sure my sleep will be hampered.
I watched a discussion between two gay and lesbian people on the O'Reilly factor on 6-30-03.
This is where I have a problem, if this is so natural a lifestyle, where would we be if Adam and Abraham were GAY???
We would not be here, DAWH. This tells me that male and female is the only natural way GOD has created us for the pro creation of this world. When GOD created this world he created
Adam in his likeness and from his rib he created Eve so he would have a companion to share his life, he didn't create Fred or Joe, no it was eve.Gay and lesbians have no place for the pro creation of this world. We wouldn't be here now and there is no future for a gay and lesbian world. DNA and frozan sperm will not continue this world. You would soon be back to heterasexual relations, then the gays,would be on the outside looking in. This will probably raise some eyebrows. Hey thats just me.

**florida-david** · 07-01-2003, 07:57 PM

river rat - consider my eyebrow raised [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]

your first incorrect assumption - your interpretation of the bible is not the only one -hello, we are not all christians!!! we do not all have the same belief system that your religion does.

second - there are LOTS of kids out their without a family. these kids are perfect for homosexual adoption. fortunately, the supreme court has made some important strides to advancing gay rights recently. this is an incredible victory for gays and lesbians and for the future of homosexual marriages and adoptions. there are already many homosexual couples providing loving homes for foster kids, yet they can not adopt these same kids due to some archaic, christian based beliefs that are still prevalent in the law. fortunately this is changing. there will always be homeless kids and wonderful homosexual homes for those kids should society get over its prejudice and move on. if
heterosexual couples were doing their job, there would be no homeless kids in the first place!

thanks for bringing up this subject as it is an important one. it has nothing to do with nudity, but it is important in regards to personal freedom, and as a nudist, we should all be in favour of our rights regarding personal freedom.

now cyndiann - please let him have it

**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 08:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by florida-david:
[qb] river rat - consider my eyebrow raised [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]

your first incorrect assumption - your interpretation of the bible is not the only one -hello, we are not all christians!!! we do not all have the same belief system that your religion does.

second - there are LOTS of kids out their without a family. these kids are perfect for homosexual adoption. fortunately, the supreme court has made some important strides to advancing gay rights recently. this is an incredible victory for gays and lesbians and for the future of homosexual marriages and adoptions. there are already many homosexual couples providing loving homes for foster kids, yet they can not adopt these same kids due to some archaic, christian based beliefs that are still prevalent in the law. fortunately this is changing. there will always be homeless kids and wonderful homosexual homes for those kids should society get over its prejudice and move on. if
heterosexual couples were doing their job, there would be no homeless kids in the first place!

thanks for bringing up this subject as it is an important one. it has nothing to do with nudity, but it is important in regards to personal freedom, and as a nudist, we should all be in favour of our rights regarding personal freedom.

now cyndiann - please let him have it [/qb]

Oh well, I guess when they pass on there genes, they will have to use a test tube. It has everything to to do with nudity, I really want to know if that woody is for me or for her, I would like to believe that there life of this world is based on a heterasexual life style not a gay lifestyle, so ends our lives if gays take over, test tubes OH come now!!!!!

**Guest** · 07-01-2003, 08:29 PM

First of all, this topic was posted in the wrong section and has nothing to do with nudism or nude recreation. It needs to be moved.

Second point is I don't hate anyone and people seem to like to throw this word around a lot on this board. I may think you are wrong but hate isn't a factor in any view I hold.

Third point, homosexuality isn't a lifestyle any more than blue eyes would be. If there were a homosexual lifestyle there'd also be a heterosexual lifestyle and neither one exists. Lifestyles are independant of the sexual orientation of an individual.

How anyone could dislike someone because of something they were born with is a mystery to me.

How anyone could think that making more people in this day and age, with all the damage humans have done to this planet is of any importance is also a mystery to me. Quite frankly the planet would be better off without us. Why are we so beligerant that we think the planet cares if we are here when we are the ones doing it damage?

With only about ten percent of the population being gay there is no danger of our species disappearing anytime soon anyway. Homosexuality is common in most animals and is a natural phenomenon. Many gays/lesbians have children anyway so I don't get the arguement that they aren't contributing to continuing the population. (as if we need more people)

How come if that christian book says it is so bad that there are so many christians that are gay friendly and gay themselves? If you can only base your arguments on what a book says, a book that can't be backed up in factual evidence I say you don't have an argument.

**Prometheus** · 07-01-2003, 08:34 PM

Rat, you seem to be traveling in a storm of controversy lately [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

quote:
Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
[qb]This is where I have a problem, if this is so natural a lifestyle, where would we be if Adam and Abraham were GAY???[/qb]

Well, if you want to be technical about it, I am not Hebrew, nor am I Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Nor do I believe the Genesis creation story. So I imagine I would be exactly where I am now.

Gays and lesbians make up around 10% of the population. Even if none of them have children (though many do), having the other 90% of the population reproduce is more than enough for this overcrowded planet.

**Rooster** · 07-01-2003, 08:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
[qb] When GOD created this world he created
Adam in his likeness and from his rib he created Eve [/qb]

Hmmm, Rat,

This sounds a little bit like cloning to me... sure there weren't any test tubes involved?

How about the immaculate conception... perhaps a bit of artificial insemination going on, possibly?

**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 08:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by cyndiann:
[qb] First of all, this topic was posted in the wrong section and has nothing to do with nudism or nude recreation. It needs to be moved.

Second point is I don't hate anyone and people seem to like to throw this word around a lot on this board. I may think you are wrong but hate isn't a factor in any view I hold.

Third point, homosexuality isn't a lifestyle any more than blue eyes would be. If there were a homosexual lifestyle there'd also be a heterosexual lifestyle and neither one exists. Lifestyles are independant of the sexual orientation of an individual.

How anyone could dislike someone because of something they were born with is a mystery to me.

How anyone could think that making more people in this day and age, with all the damage humans have done to this planet is of any importance is also a mystery to me. Quite frankly the planet would be better off without us. Why are we so beligerant that we think the planet cares if we are here when we are the ones doing it damage?

With only about ten percent of the population being gay there is no danger of our species disappearing anytime soon anyway. Homosexuality is common in most animals and is a natural phenomenon. Many gays/lesbians have children anyway so I don't get the arguement that they aren't contributing to continuing the population. (as if we need more people)

How come if that christian book says it is so bad that there are so many christians that are gay friendly and gay themselves? If you can only base your arguments on what a book says, a book that can't be backed up in factual evidence I say you don't have an argument. [/qb]

Hello Cyndianne, I have my opinion you have yours , when I brought your name up It was because of what you have said in the past, you have brought up some good points, but I believe I have too, we would not be here today but for the pro creation of those before us, I personnally believe the BIBLE is the word of GOD if you do not that is your privilage. I don't judge for that, if I didn't want your input I would have not have mentioned your name. This forum is for all regardless of how we believe. I introduced this subject here for the most traffic, if you dissagree sorry. I want to get the most I can from this topic, if only neggative, lets see where it goes????

**Naturist Mark** · 07-01-2003, 09:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
[qb] I personnally believe the BIBLE is the word of GOD if you do not that is your privilage[/qb]

2nd Samuel 1:26

**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 09:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Prometheus:
[qb] Rat, you seem to be traveling in a storm of controversy lately [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

quote:
Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
[qb]This is where I have a problem, if this is so natural a lifestyle, where would we be if Adam and Abraham were GAY???[/qb]
Well, if you want to be technical about it, I am not Hebrew, nor am I Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Nor do I believe the Genesis creation story. So I imagine I would be exactly where I am now.

Gays and lesbians make up around 10% of the population. Even if none of them have children (though many do), having the other 90% of the population reproduce is more than enough for this overcrowded planet. [/qb]

Yah no I haven't got a clue as to what you just said, but yes I love to kick up the dust, it keeps me interresting. You are the third neggative response, I guess that makes this a lagittament topic. good to here from you.

**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 09:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Rooster:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
[qb] When GOD created this world he created
Adam in his likeness and from his rib he created Eve [/qb]
Hmmm, Rat,

This sounds a little bit like cloning to me... sure there weren't any test tubes involved?

How about the immaculate conception... perhaps a bit of artificial insemination going on, possibly? [/qb]

Hmmmm, thats four for four neggetive, was I wrong, I don't think so Tim, I love a good mystery, DON'T YOU. I've only posted a little over an hour and already every one hates me, perfect, this is a dangerous topic, Am I the only one who dares to address it??? Yah know you say what you want about GOD and his angles and Saints but as for his mom you have gone to far, you will pay for that, how would you feel if someone insulted your mother, not good.

**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 09:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by florida-david:
[qb] river rat - consider my eyebrow raised [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]

your first incorrect assumption - your interpretation of the bible is not the only one -hello, we are not all christians!!! we do not all have the same belief system that your religion does.

second - there are LOTS of kids out their without a family. these kids are perfect for homosexual adoption. fortunately, the supreme court has made some important strides to advancing gay rights recently. this is an incredible victory for gays and lesbians and for the future of homosexual marriages and adoptions. there are already many homosexual couples providing loving homes for foster kids, yet they can not adopt these same kids due to some archaic, christian based beliefs that are still prevalent in the law. fortunately this is changing. there will always be homeless kids and wonderful homosexual homes for those kids should society get over its prejudice and move on. if
heterosexual couples were doing their job, there would be no homeless kids in the first place!

thanks for bringing up this subject as it is an important one. it has nothing to do with nudity, but it is important in regards to personal freedom, and as a nudist, we should all be in favour of our rights regarding personal freedom.

now cyndiann - please let him have it [/qb]

Ya know what, we won't have to worry about kids without parents when there are no kids because with gay and lesbian relations you can't make kids except through artaficial incemination and why would anyone won't to do that. so smarten up , it ain't gonna happen.

**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 09:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by naturistmark1:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
[qb] I personnally believe the BIBLE is the word of GOD if you do not that is your privilage[/qb]
2nd Samuel 1:26 [/qb]

AMEN my brother, need your help upstairs.

**RIVERRAT** · 07-01-2003, 09:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by naturistmark1:
[qb]
quote:
Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
[qb] I personnally believe the BIBLE is the word of GOD if you do not that is your privilage[/qb]
2nd Samuel 1:26 [/qb]

Thanx I think thats one for my side

hw · 07-01-2003, 10:16 PM

Boy Riverrat...you sure seem to have problem here. Maybe I can help...see my first posting on the Tatoo and Genital Piercing.
**** **** **** **** **** ****
Although you may not agree with the lifestlyle it is a fact of life. As long as no one tries to take you to the "dark side" of homosexual life, lighten up..."Live and Let Live".
**** **** **** **** **** ****
Think about my last paragraph: Same could be said by a "textile" about the nudist lifestyle. hmmmmmmmm......Have a great evening. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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