Ron Paul the next US president?

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  • usmc1
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    • Nov 2005
    • 4357
    • If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine! We all warm our hands at fires others have built and drink from wells dug by those who came before us. We, each of us, have a moral obligation to keep those fires brightly burning and those wells flowing!

    #16
    Ron Paul is no moderate. I knew moderate Republican and moderate Republican is not Ron Paul.

    OK, OK, I tried to be tactful and nice and see where it gets us? Ron Paul is no libertarian, particularly not of the civil variety. Rigidly moralistic, having once dressed down an aide for using the term "red-light district" in front of a female colleague, he would display no tolerance for what brings people to this site.

    Ron, (ahem) Congressman Paul, is a conservative Republican of the Taft-Birch-Goldwater-Reagan branch of the family tree. He, in fact, is an authoritarian (he would expand the process of the unified executive branch) rather than libertarian, and in my view, a stealth candidate of the Radical Religious Right.



    On a personal note, which I've put out here before; he's a very sincere, likable, unusually straight forward guy with the ability to phrase things in ways that have appeal for those of us who yearn for simpler problems and solutions. Ron would like to turn the clock of history back to, oh say about 1791. This, by the way, scares the bejeebers out of establishment and moderate Republicans and should have independents, centrists, and liberals quaking at the thought.

    But, hell, Kay Baily, before she married Ron Hutchison and became a U.S. Senator, was a sincere, likable, yadda-yadda, and look at her now! Boy howdy!

    BUT! At some point during the campaign, one of his buttons will be pushed and you will see a glaze come over his eyes, the veins in his neck will knot up, his head will tilt slightly as though the transmission from the mother ship is finally coming in loud and clear, and he will expound some nonsense and right-wing rote with spit flying. Choice could very well be that button.

    Listen up y'awl. I ain't often wrong about this here stuff. You just watch and see.

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    • nacktman
      Banned
      • Jun 2003
      • 5160

      #17
      In answer to the original question ... NO!

      Even if all registered republicans and only a third of registered Democrats voted and voted along 'party lines" Ron Paul would not be elected president.
      There is only 1 republican for every 4 Democrats in this country - republicans have always relied on swaying voters that are independent and/or 'conservative' democrats to even hope to place in elections, much less win them.
      With their track record dubious at best before the cabal ... now ... think about it - the phrase "snowball's chance in he_l" comes to mind.

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      • Cigol Edun
        Member
        • Jul 2007
        • 56

        #18
        Originally posted by usmc1:
        He, in fact, is an authoritarian (he would expand the process of the unified executive branch) rather than libertarian
        Just to play devil's advocate...
        (not to say I support him or even know him...but...)

        He did win the Libertarian Party's nomination for the U.S. Presidency in 1988, he has always advocated freedom of all sorts whenever I've ever heard him make any sort of public speech, and although he is surely against abortion (and even a pro-life position is shared by quite a few libertarians), in most other respects I have not encountered evidence that he supports a non-libertarian position...

        But then maybe you have.
        This isn't to say I think he should be president, but if he were to be, I don't think that nudism would suffer from the live-and-let-live attitude that libertarians advocate, and to my knowledge he is a life-time member of the Libertarian party.

        So I guess what I'm asking is what is the evidence? Some gut feeling that he talks to extraterrestrials?

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        • Eric6420
          Bronze Member
          • Jul 2004
          • 527

          #19
          There is a lot of ideas that I do not share with Ron Paul, because I am a liberal and I think that the government must play a role to bring social justice.

          That being said, the fact that Ron Paul was so strongly and always against the wars of Afganisthan and Irak is very remarquable, because a lot, if not most democrats elected voted in favor of thoses wars or did not opposed very strongly to thoses wars.

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          • BinCo
            Silver Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 1924
            • B in Colorado,

              Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone eating a donut because you're on a diet.

            #20
            I know of him and liked him on "America-Freedom to Fascism." I heard him the other night in an interview on Air America while flipping channels and he said some things that seriously bother me.

            First, some preface. I live in Colorado, where more than 40% of the state is publically owned in some fashion. SO I can go roaming these areas whenever I want. Some I have to pay to get into, like Rocky Mtn National Park, most are free.

            Second, I grew up in Florida, Orlando area, land of the fencelines. Where there is great fishing, but unless you know someone who lives on a lake you can't get to it. There are very few public spaces in the area, compared to Colorado. A friend lives in Texas, where 2% of the state is publically owned is in even more miserable since all of his public lands are manicured areas around Dallas.

            Now, on the radio Mr. Paul says that he is all in favor of selling ALL federal and state property to private individuals or federal to revert back to state to be sold as the state sees fit. The interviewer even mentioned about California public beaches and Mr. Paul says that they should be in private hands!! He also says that private landowners should be able to do anything they want on the land as long as it does not pollute the neighbors property. Cool. I can store Nuclear waste on mine. Won't bother the neighbors while I'm alive!

            So, in my humble opinion, Mr. Paul believes in creating a world of haves and have nots. Guess where most of us will fall into?

            I will still be looking at the Dems this time around. I agree with usmc1, the Republicans want to throw us back a few. Although I think they want to reach back to 1491.

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            • Eric6420
              Bronze Member
              • Jul 2004
              • 527

              #21
              After all, maybe Hilary Clinton could be the best realist choice.

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              • usmc1
                Diamond Member
                • Nov 2005
                • 4357
                • If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine! We all warm our hands at fires others have built and drink from wells dug by those who came before us. We, each of us, have a moral obligation to keep those fires brightly burning and those wells flowing!

                #22
                Originally posted by Cigol Edun:
                quote:
                Originally posted by usmc1:
                He, in fact, is an authoritarian (he would expand the process of the unified executive branch) rather than libertarian
                Just to play devil's advocate...
                (not to say I support him or even know him...but...)

                He did win the Libertarian Party's nomination for the U.S. Presidency in 1988, he has always advocated freedom of all sorts whenever I've ever heard him make any sort of public speech, and although he is surely against abortion (and even a pro-life position is shared by quite a few libertarians), in most other respects I have not encountered evidence that he supports a non-libertarian position...

                But then maybe you have.
                This isn't to say I think he should be president, but if he were to be, I don't think that nudism would suffer from the live-and-let-live attitude that libertarians advocate, and to my knowledge he is a life-time member of the Libertarian party.

                So I guess what I'm asking is what is the evidence? Some gut feeling that he talks to extraterrestrials?


                Eric D.A. is fine. I've lived in Texas a number of years, I've covered and am now involved in Texas politics. I know Ron Paul, he is a very likable guy--so was John Wayne, but, when certain topics came up, the spit would fly.

                With Ron; when the topic becomes abortion, the United Nations, or gays to name several, his charm disappears and the ideologue zealot emerges. Check out his voting record and Google his quotes on those topics and you'll see that his stance is always to very extreme right.

                Another posted remarks concerning Paul's penchant for wanting to "privatize" public lands. I've got to tell you, this barely scratches the surface of his view on governance. He is, at heart, extremely authoritarian.

                But, what I'm saying is this, if he ever emerges as top candidate in this election, someone will push one of those buttons and the public will see the reaction I'm talking about.

                He is a John Birch-Barry Goldwater Republican who latched on to the Reagan wave.

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                • missouriboy
                  Gold Member
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2553
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                  #23
                  Free and Independent Press? You're kidding, right?

                  Why is the press afraid to cover Ron Paul?

                  Commentary from last August.

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                  • Nude_Dude_Runner
                    Member
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 72
                    • Clothing is a waste of good resources

                    #24
                    Why are they afraid?

                    Originally posted by missouriboy View Post
                    Why is the press afraid to cover Ron Paul?

                    Commentary from last August.
                    For decades they have been relaying the message that we want more and more from government. Ron Paul supporters want less from government. Reporters have been telling readers and viewers what they just saw or heard and what it means to them. Ron Paul supporters do not need that hand holding.

                    The debate the other evening was rather disturbing. No straight answers from Mitt, Rudy, or Mike. One of those three were able to respond on just about every question posed. How many times did you hear the host say "Everyone will get a chance to answer", and it never happened.

                    What You_tube questions did they throw to Paul? To paraphrase: Will you run as a Libertarian when you lose here, and are you a nutty believer in the North America Union. With those two questions, no other candidate was asked anything similar were they?

                    And of course, Paul's ad ran at the very end. Likely to minimize the number of viewers who watched it, as many people had tuned out by then.

                    Considering what else CNN did, it is no surprise to me the manipulation we saw.

                    NDR

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                    • usmc1
                      Diamond Member
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 4357
                      • If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine! We all warm our hands at fires others have built and drink from wells dug by those who came before us. We, each of us, have a moral obligation to keep those fires brightly burning and those wells flowing!

                      #25
                      As predicted, the real Ron Paul is staring to show...


                      December 19, 2007
                      Paul to keep donation from white supremacist
                      Paul is keeping a campaign donation from a white supremacist.
                      WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (AP) – Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

                      Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, "White Pride World Wide." The site welcomes postings to the "Stormfront White Nationalist Community."

                      "Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom."

                      "And that's $500 less that this guy has to do whatever it is that he does," Benton added.

                      Black said he supports Paul's stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants.
                      "We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday.

                      "We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.

                      On his Web site, Black says he has been involved in "the White patriot movement for 30 years."

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                      • jon71
                        Platinum Member
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 3849
                        • Adam Smith is my favorite socialist.

                        #26
                        Honestly I have to back Ron Paul on this one. I have mixed feelings about him but it'd be better for him to have the money than some dumb clucker.

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                        • Baron Lake
                          Bronze Member
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 829

                          #27
                          So, Don Black wants a 'tight border" without a "police state" huh? What's he expect Ron Paul's gonna do, send the Boy Scouts out on patrol? I guess they could earn immigration control merit badges.

                          b.l.

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                          • Baron Lake
                            Bronze Member
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 829

                            #28
                            Oh. I forgot. Paul's gonna privatize. He'll get Blackwater to do the job.

                            b.l.

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                            • Sanslines
                              Supreme Member
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 7118

                              #29
                              Originally posted by missouriboy View Post
                              Why is the press afraid to cover Ron Paul?

                              Commentary from last August.
                              Because the press simply does not see Ron Paul as a viable candidate. The same was said of Ralph Nader when he ran for President. Nader knew up front that he was not electable but that was not the point of his running. He clearly and only wanted to empasize certain points about the election process.

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                              • BinCo
                                Silver Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 1924
                                • B in Colorado,

                                  Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone eating a donut because you're on a diet.

                                #30
                                Ron BLACK is a racist??

                                Does anyone else see the irony of a jerk being born into the Black family and turning out to be a white supremacist??? :eek: I meant DON Black.

                                I can answer the question of why he is not talked about in the media. His polling number are always too low to bother with. He is not the only one hardly ever mentioned, so do not take it personally. He has been in the media lately as he had a huge one day money grub online.

                                I would not vote for him for several reasons.
                                1- He wants to repeal Roe v. Wade and send the choice back to the states which means abortion will be illegal in many states and they will surely figure out a way to make it illegal to cross state lines to get one.

                                2- He is such a strick constructionist that he sees nothing in the Constitution that allows the government to own property. So he would immediately sell off ALL federal land that is not used for military purposes. All Beaches, mountains and parks would then go into private hands. Guess how many would allow citizens to use them free of charge, or at all? 1-2%?

                                3- He is a Republican, as was I, and this party has been stolen by the Christain zealots and moved from one of less government to one of more intrusive government at the most private moments in peoples lives. Not to mention the desire to eliminate all the non-believers like me and revert the country back to the 16th century.

                                4- He's got an attitude that rubs me the wrong way.
                                Last edited by BinCo; 12-20-2007, 05:29 PM. Reason: Misspelled name.

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