Understanding nudism, one stu at a time

[soofreeemateomanian]

When you say the nude human body is obscene or gross, you are saying 3 million years of evolution made us to be ashamed. Answer this one question to yourself. If you see nudity in art, is that obscene or inapropriate. Then why would a real Homo sapien be inapropriate

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: vertebrata
Class: Mamalia
order: Primate
family: homo
genus:homo erectus
species: homo sapien
if you do not believe in evolution, do you think god would have created us with clothes if that is what he wanted? Wasn't he angry at Adam and Eve for being ahamed of their nakedness?

[soofreeemateomanian]

When you say the nude human body is obscene or gross, you are saying 3 million years of evolution made us to be ashamed. Answer this one question to yourself. If you see nudity in art, is that obscene or inapropriate. Then why would a real Homo sapien be inapropriate

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: vertebrata
Class: Mamalia
order: Primate
family: homo
genus:homo erectus
species: homo sapien
if you do not believe in evolution, do you think god would have created us with clothes if that is what he wanted? Wasn't he angry at Adam and Eve for being ahamed of their nakedness?

[Rex]

Mateo, you are so logical and well-informed.
People who are logical, well-informed and gutsy should be seen as amongst the most valued members of society, but they are not because they are frequently perceived to be a threat to the "establishment" and the establishment's superstitions.
As you are no doubt aware, homo sapiens means "wise man" and with the state of the world as it is, it must be humankind's greatest conceit to describe ourselves, as a species, as "wise".

[Guest]

Mateo

"When you say the nude human body is obscene or gross,"

Where did I say that? My objection isn't to nudity per se - it is to inappropriate PUBLIC nudity.

"...you are saying 3 million years of evolution made us to be ashamed. Answer this one question to yourself. If you see nudity in art, is that obscene or inapropriate."

I don't have a problem with nude pictures or sculptures in an art gallery or museum. Anyone going to such a place can expect to see such objects and so they have given implied consent.

That's vastly different to someone walking down the street, or enjoying a game of netball in the park, being unexpectedly confronted by a real live naked adult human being. Many people find that shocking and disgusting - including me!

Of course you may think that's illogical and maybe it is. But human beings don't always react with pure logic. Don't believe me? Just try openly slaughtering cows, sheep, pigs and chickens in a compound just outside your local supermarket and see the reaction. It won't be just the veggies you'll upset, I can assure you!

You have to take people as they are.

Stu

[FireProf]

I don't usually respond to stu's posts but I will this time. Slaughtering animals publicly would be a horrible sight but seeeing a person nude in public equated to this is obsurd.

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[Trailscout]

My great grandfather slaughtered a hog in his back yard every winter. It was an occasion of much celebration and brought men from around the neighborhood to socialize and help process the meat.

I used to have a flock of some thirty chickens and I slaughtered one from time to time in full view of the neighbors. No one objected to this either. We would share a nice pot of chicken and dumplings an hour or two later!

I am perplexed at how disconnected city folk are from the simple facts of everday life.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by stu2630:
[qb] Many people find that shocking and disgusting - including me!

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No they don't. Stop saying that!

[Guest]

FireProf

"Slaughtering animals publicly would be a horrible sight but seeeing a person nude in public equated to this is obsurd."

Sorry but to me they would be equally repugnant.

Trailscout

"I am perplexed at how disconnected city folk are from the simple facts of everday life."

You make a very valid point. Most of us are hypocrites in one way or another. We'll tuck into a steak wih relish but for the average city dweller the thought of witnessing the killing of the creature who was the source of the meal (the cow, not the chef!) would be truly stomach-churning! But that's how people are.

cyndiann

"No they don't. Stop saying that!"

Maybe they don't in Tampa, Florida but take it from me, cyndiann, they certainly do here in Yorkshire! Try sunbathing nude - or even topless - in my local park and see the reaction you'll get from the populace. You'd be lucky to escape with your life.

Stu

[Naturist Mark]

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Originally posted by soofreeemateomanian:
[qb]
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: vertebrata
Class: Mamalia
order: Primate
family: homo
genus:homo erectus
species: homo sapien
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Homo Erectus is not a genus.

The Family is either Hominidae or Pongidae. Many (if not most) modern taxonomists consider humans to be part of the same family as the great apes, the previous separation into separate families was just human chauvanism.

The four genus' are Pongo (orangutan), Pan (chimpanzee), Gorilla, and Homo.

Further, we are of the sub-species Homo Sapiens Sapiens, which distinguishes modern man from other Homo Sapiens such as Neanderthal Man (Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis). This sub-species category is the real scientific definition of 'race'. What most consider 'race' has no scientific basis, all modern humans are a single race.

Thus:

Kingdom: Animalia
.Phylum: Vertebrata (or Chordata)
..Class: Mammalia
...order: Primate
....family: Hominidae (or Pongidae)
.....Genus: Homo
......species: Homo Sapiens
.......sub-species: Homo Sapiens Sapiens

Even more radical is a new restructuring of primate taxonomy based on the findings of molecular biology and DNA analysis which brings some of the great apes into the Homo genus:

Family Hominidae
.Subfamily Homininae
..Tribe Hominini
...Subtribe Pongina, Pongo: orangutans
...Subtribe Hominina
....Gorilla: gorillas
.....Homo (Homo): humans
.....Homo (Pan): chimpanzees, bonobo



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[hairyhomer]

Seeing Gods' greatest work of art in its natural form could never be shocking or disgusting to him so why should it be to anyone who believes he created us in his own likeness and image? There will probabely be a lot of shocked people when they get to heaven since we leave this world the same as we came into it, with nothing.

[Guest]

Trailscout,

I remember at age 15 helping a farmer, from whom we rented a house, remove the heads from chickens. It was the most hilarious thing I ever saw. When we chopped its head off, it lay on the ground clucking while the body ran around in circles. I nearly laughed MY head off.

I spent a lot of time nude out there in the country. One time when my parents were gone, I went out after dark and walked a long way down the country road nude. I had no clothes with me and nearly got caught when a car went by, but I ducked into the weeds until they went by. I didn't think about what I would do if my parents came home while I was out like that. I had a door on my bedroom and could also go out without them knowing--at least until I saw a BIG rat going down the basement stairs that were in that room. All I actually saw was the tail that was over a foot long. I had no desire to find out how big the rat was.

[Croydon]

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Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
[qb] Trailscout,

I remember at age 15 helping a farmer, from whom we rented a house, remove the heads from chickens. It was the most hilarious thing I ever saw. When we chopped its head off, it lay on the ground clucking while the body ran around in circles. I nearly laughed MY head off. [/qb]

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I see nothing funny about that at all. I wouldn't be laughing at the scene of chicken that got cut his/her head off and is still alive and plucking in pain. There's absolutely nothing funny about that. Only a selfish and unemotional monster would find such a horrific scene funny.

[Rik]

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Originally posted by Croydon:
[qb]I see nothing funny about that at all. I wouldn't be laughing at the scene of chicken that got cut his/her head off and is still alive and plucking in pain. [/qb]

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I agree it's a bit gross but actually the chicken is dead once its head has been cut off so it's no longer in pain.

Rik

[FireProf]

I rest my case...

Stu finds the slaughter of animals and the view of a nude body equally disturbing.

He now says if you're found nude in a park in his hometown of Yorkshire, you'll be lucky to escape with your life.

I remember now why I didn't waste my time posting a reply to any of his.

I guess I needed a booster shot of him to fend off any further contact. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

[Guest]

Hey FireProf gimme one of them shots too! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]