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    I have noticed that landed clubs in my area have begun yet another disturbing membership practice (besides single male and married-but-attending-alone discrimination): limiting the number of visits to 3, and then requiring a yearly membership.

    These are tough financial times, and forcing people to pay for a yearly membership or denying them entrance, is just one more black eye for organized nudism. If you are, for example, a once a month type visitor, this could (depending on the various fees) force you from being able to visit a club at all after your visit quota is spent.

    I fail to see how such a policy is a positive step forward for nudism and not just a revenue trap for clubs.

  • #2
    Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

    Here here! As much as we would like to go to Mountain Air Ranch, we do not want to sign up for an annual membership when we might only be able to go once or twice a year.

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    • #3
      Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

      I agree with your logic here of course. But, I do think making it mandatory that one purchase a membership in the National Organisations (whether that be TNS (preferred, myself as its more in tune with real FKK), or AANR, is logical.

      -Danee

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      • #4
        Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

        Our club has that same policy. It also has different policies and memberships if you live further away...but if you live close by...you can't buy the cheaper membership even if you only visit as often as those that live far away! ????

        Strange...

        Lots of these policies are antiquated...in my opinion, but so many of the "old guard" is still in authority and they refuse to change with the times. When people, especially younger people and young families, stop visiting and the cost of running and maintaining the club falls on their shoulders alone....then and maybe only then will they think about changing some of these outdated policies.

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        • #5
          Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

          I live close to an un-named Nudist Resort in California. I visited their property and enjoyed myself as well as the facilities and nice people. On my third visit I was informed that I would have to become a member. I am not a "joiner" type person but would have probably inquired about annual membership eventually. However I was "put off" by their requirement.

          I have since joined another club that is a longer drive (I pass the original club on the way) but I like it.

          I have nothing against the original club, in fact I have been back (as a guest of a member) a few times and enjoy it very much. I just did not like that policy

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          • #6
            Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

            Originally posted by Danee View Post
            I agree with your logic here of course. But, I do think making it mandatory that one purchase a membership in the National Organisations (whether that be TNS (preferred, myself as its more in tune with real FKK), or AANR, is logical.

            -Danee
            Now this makes more sense. Another thought I had was the first 3 (or so) times were at a discount. Then you could either join up or pay full price.

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            • #7
              Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

              This is an excerpt of a post I wrote in 2002 in response to someone inquiring about clubs in/around Nashville, TN...

              I went for my second time and upon checking in, the lady (I believe she was one of the owners) asked me if I had been there before. I said "Yes" and she looked up my card that I had filled out previously. When I checked in, she handed me a few pages of paper and told me to enjoy my day. So, I put the papers in my car (I thought they were just newsletters, etc.) and stripped down. I had a good day and then went home.
              When I got home, I began to look over the papers. One of them explained that after the 2nd visit, you would be required to buy an annual membership to return. The membership was $500-$550 (I don't remember exactly) a year.

              This was my second time to any social nudist setting so I was very disappointed. As a recent college grad and just getting started in a career, I didn't have that kind of money to spend on a membership. Plus, I wasn't sure I would go that many times a year to justify spending that much on it. Plus, I was upset that she just handed it to me without drawing my attention to it. It was an hour's drive each way for me at the time. If I had not read the paper, I would have shown up again to find that I couldn't register without joining. I would have been very upset then.

              The club was Rock Haven in Murfreesboro, TN. And, for the record, I never went back. Furthermore, I have shared this story with everyone who inquired about clubs near Nashville or specifically about Rock Haven.

              I post this for (at least) two reasons:

              1) To note that this isn't necessarily a new practice, although it may be getting more prevalent
              2) To note that I still hold bitter feelings toward Rock Haven for their treatment of their guest (i.e. me) regarding the matter

              Any club owner or board member who reads this board can take this to heart: There are others like me who will never come back if they feel forced to decide between paying a large membership fee and going elsewhere. They may or may not complain to you. However, if you see your rolls steadily declining despite all of the newbies coming out to see what you're about, you should re-examine your policies.

              Stay nude!

              bg

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              • #8
                Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                Looking at the only option we have (MAR), their pricing is $280 for an annual family membership that allows 5 visits before having to pay daily fees on top of the $280 plus another $100 one time initiation fee. For unlimited visits in a year, it's $760 for the family. That's a little too spendy when you include a 1/2 tank of gas for travel/food/etc. Unless we were to go often, which is doubtful since the club is in the mountains and it really only makes for about 3 months of planned travel per year, it's just no worth it. We are allowed to go as guests or visitors 3 times, then have to sign up.

                So I'll be going to DHS, where the membership gives you a 50% discount on daily rates, but is only $195 per couple and not required. With enough trips it can pay for itself for those more inclined. Since we're 2+ hrs away, we will only have to pay the $20 entrance when we go a few times this year. They also allow us to bring our own beverages and food, no glass for sure, but it's nice to be able to keep a cooler and grab a sandwich when I want.

                That's the kind of service I like. They don't have the overhead that MAR does, but the daily rates are 1/2 as high. MAR could learn a thing about getting more daily visitors if we didn't have to pay up so much for something we might not use.

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                • #9
                  Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                  The closest place that accepts singles is over 3 hours away for me. They require membership after 4 visits. While I enjoyed my first visit there last year & will probably get there once or twice this year, after 4 visits I'll be done. I can't justify an annual membership for a club that's that far away for me. It's short sighted on the club's part. They could get a little money from me and others like me every year, but with this policy they get nothing.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                    Again, membership in a INF org? Sure. Makes sense but these AANR clubs complain about continuity? Offer discounts for frequent visits and, mandatory INF membership.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                      These "visit 3 times and join" regulations stem from a time when most clubs were member owned cooperatives. It took yearly dues in order to meet the bills - daily room/site/camping fees are not sufficent. Typically a weekend at a nudist resort costs less than a weekend at a budget hotel. It has only been relatively recently that some clubs began to operate primarily as hospitality businesses rather than primarily as membership clubs - and the appalling failure rate of those businesses shows that it is risky to run clubs as a tourist business.

                      Nudist resorts are generally pretty low priced compared to comparable textile resorts. They really need to charge a lot more, like the luxury Carri bean resorts do, to be able to consistently rely on daily fees.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                        I have been visiting all the SoCAL resorts on and off for almost 20 years and only recently has this policy shown up that I know of (the last few years or so). By this rule, I would have to be a member of each and every one by now, to the tune of quite a boatload of money. But given this policy, I will join NONE, NADA, ZERO, and I will likely be unable to visit any of them again... Well done, club management, well done. It's practically extortion... and if kicking people out of nudism is your goal, you've achieved it once again.

                        Comparing rates to a Caribbean Resort is hardly reasonable, since I would not compare most of these clubs to a Caribbean resort vacation. Besides, the issue in this topic is with day visitation limits, not weekend or longer stays.

                        Clubs should charge what makes sense for a membership, but do so in way that entices you to become a member...don't hold a gun to our heads demanding money or be turned away.

                        I contend that ANY approved AANR resort should honor admittance to ANYONE holding a valid AANR/TNS card: no gender quotas, no counted visit limits, no nonsense. This is another instance where holding an AANR membership is all but useless.

                        There is a greater good here to consider - the growth and acceptance of socialized nudity - that takes precedence of the self-serving, elitist habits of these clubs...for this will turn away many, many people who would otherwise come to your club over time, sing your praises, and maybe later join...but you will never know.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                          All These clubs need to re-examine their policies!! I am a long time nudist (over 30 years). I have been (happily) married to a textile wife for over 28 years, she is very understanding of my nudism. One club in Florida wanted a notorized letter from my wife, saying it was OK with her if I came to their resort. I think this is crazy. They treat me like I am some kind of pervert or something. I have been a member of aanr for many years, and I live in Atlantic City, NJ. This is over 100 miles away from any nudist resort, so I am not going to pay annual dues for any resort, as I can not visit that often. When they offer cheaper grounds fees for single females, than for single males, I think this is discrimination. Maybe all the male nudists should boycott the clubs that discriminate against us!!! GB

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                          • #14
                            Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                            Originally posted by scrptman View Post
                            I have been visiting all the SoCAL resorts on and off for almost 20 years and only recently has this policy shown up that I know of (the last few years or so). By this rule, I would have to be a member of each and every one by now, to the tune of quite a boatload of money. But given this policy, I will join NONE, NADA, ZERO, and I will likely be unable to visit any of them again... Well done, club management, well done. It's practically extortion... and if kicking people out of nudism is your goal, you've achieved it once again.

                            Comparing rates to a Caribbean Resort is hardly reasonable, since I would not compare most of these clubs to a Caribbean resort vacation. Besides, the issue in this topic is with day visitation limits, not weekend or longer stays.

                            Clubs should charge what makes sense for a membership, but do so in way that entices you to become a member...don't hold a gun to our heads demanding money or be turned away.

                            I contend that ANY approved AANR resort should honor admittance to ANYONE holding a valid AANR/TNS card: no gender quotas, no counted visit limits, no nonsense. This is another instance where holding an AANR membership is all but useless.

                            There is a greater good here to consider - the growth and acceptance of socialized nudity - that takes precedence of the self-serving, elitist habits of these clubs...for this will turn away many, many people who would otherwise come to your club over time, sing your praises, and maybe later join...but you will never know.
                            I wasn't saying that nudist clubs are on par with Caribbean resorts, just that they would have to charge much more than they do in order to fully support themselves with transient business like a Caribbean resort does. Consider what a budget hotel charges compared to a nudist resort. Which offers more? Which costs more? Do you see what I'm driving at?

                            Traditionally nudist clubs considered transient visitors as means of driving membership. It was a strategy that worked for decades, but doesn't really fit with the modern realities of an industry that is now far more tourist oriented. You will now find more and more clubs abandoning the membership model and adopting the tourism model. And you will find that the successful ones are charging the higher rates typical of the hospitality industry rather than the rustic membership club.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Another disturbing policy among landed clubs: 3 visits then you must join

                              Originally posted by Naturist Mark View Post
                              These "visit 3 times and join" regulations stem from a time when most clubs were member owned cooperatives. It took yearly dues in order to meet the bills - daily room/site/camping fees are not sufficent. Typically a weekend at a nudist resort costs less than a weekend at a budget hotel. It has only been relatively recently that some clubs began to operate primarily as hospitality businesses rather than primarily as membership clubs - and the appalling failure rate of those businesses shows that it is risky to run clubs as a tourist business.

                              Nudist resorts are generally pretty low priced compared to comparable textile resorts. They really need to charge a lot more, like the luxury Carri bean resorts do, to be able to consistently rely on daily fees.
                              Our clubs down here in New Zealand still operate on that basis. The members "own" the club and the club relies on membership fees, and member participation (working bees, commitee boards etc) to survive. We have the 3 visit rule. After that you must join the club and the INF. $NZ 280 per annum for unlimited use of about 26 acres of land set amongst native bush in the middle of our biggest city. Unlimited use of sauna, spa, 2 swimming pools, volleyball, quoits, petanque, kubbs, miniten, bar, food shop, club rooms with cooking facilities, showers, toilets etc., and the cheapest camping in New Zealand, all as nature intended. Then there are the friends you meet and socialise with. Best $280 dollars I have ever spent, and a lot cheaper than joining other clubs, such as golf clubs, gyms, and the people are better, more like family than friends.
                              We have only one "resort" type club over here, in Katikati, it is run as a business, is a great place to visit or stay, and has actually won the NZ tourism award for best camping ground in the country. Quite a feat for a sole naturist venue running against all the textile camp grounds.

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