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  • #16
    OZJarmes,
    Bali pronounced Barley? Wow. I've heard of silent letters, but invisible? English huh. I
    suppose next you will try to tell us Berkeley Sq.
    is pronounced Bar... oh never mind. Besides spring is on the way for us and autumn for youse guys, so there!
    B.L.

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    • #17
      OK B.L., I give in. I think its something to do with potatoes (English ) & potatoes (American) or was it tomatoes ?

      Yes early mornings are getting a bit "nippy" here, 53F when I get up in the morning. BUT having breakfast in the sun on the east verandah with the sun on my skin is wonderful.

      JAMES

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      • #18
        Comparison: Thailand v Bali.

        http://www.baliblog.com/news/archives/002268.shtml

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        • #19
          quote:
          Originally posted by Baron Lake:
          [qb] Hi MotorCity,
          ... in this case, negate his contention that the ignorance of the Radical Right is a primary force in opposition to social nudity. And, when the political comments are relevant to the topic I see no valid reason for their exclusion. Come on,you cannot REALLY believe politics are not involved in social nudity.(?)

          B.L. [/qb]
          I'll start a new thread somewhere, along the lines of: "Do you feel more 'oppressed' since the U.S. liberals lost majority in Congress?", or "Who are more the 'social engineers', left or right?"

          Now back to your regular programming ... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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          • #20
            Jochanaan - you said "I thought those were Jainists, not Hindus...?"

            Right you are. Jainism is a branch or sect of Hinduism.

            I wish our friends from Australia and the UK would post in their accents, 'cause I enjoy listening to them speak. Somehow, it just doesn't come through in the written language.

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            • #21
              I asked, on a Bali website, for the local pronunciation, and got two replies.
              This is the first, [the second confirmed the first].

              "I prounounce it "Bahlee" with accented first syllable."

              In regard to British accents, some are hardly understood by people from not-so-distant parts of Britain.
              I've been in Australia 42 years in July, but my Yorkshire accent is such that people sometimes ask me why I still speak like I just got off the ship.
              Some people say that Australian accents are a little different in different places, but they all sound pretty much the same to me.
              Over to the Aussies, if they want to add anything.

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              • #22
                Hi im English (British) - and I agree with OZJames yes i say Bali like "Barley" - and Bath - it should have an R it (Barf).

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                • #23
                  I'm not so sure I want a Bath in Barf. Not even in Barley.

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                  • #24
                    In the North of England, "bath" in not pronounced with an R after the A. That's Bath, the city, or bath, the place where even prudes get nude, [well, most of them, anyway].
                    I remember when I first started to learn French, the French master saying that the English were lazy speakers. Unlike the French, we don't use our lips etc, to emphasise the sounds. He advised us to always try to copy the native speakers, if we wanted to speak a foreign language correctly.
                    For many people, the correct pronunciation of "Bali", is purely academic, but I go there regularly, and like to get on well with the locals.
                    Almost everything in Bali is negotiable, pricewise.
                    This is not being hard on the locals, bargaining is the national sport.
                    I know enough Indonesian, and a little bit of Balinese, a totally different language, to get around.
                    Because I try to use the correct phraseology, and pronunciation, it often comes through that I know more than I do.
                    This helps me to make friends, socialise, get better prices, and have more fun.
                    It also comes through as having respect for the people, and their culture.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Rex View Post
                      ?Section 388 of the Penal Code of Thailand states, ?Whoever does any shameful act in public by indecently exposing his or her person, or by committing another indecent act, shall be punished with fine not exceeding 500 baht.?


                      However, we have never charged any tourist with this because Phuket is a tourist destination. ?

                      Monday, January 5, 2004 Pol Lt Col Panudech Sukwong, Superintendent, Phuket Tourist Police.


                      I don't know what "committing another indecent act" is supposed to mean, but when it comes to beach nudity, which is what inspired this comment, other countries which go after the tourist dollar, please note.
                      Thailand also has a very seedy tourist specialty that many would find offensive. Translation = Thailand, just about anything goes as long as they can make money off of it.

                      A very conservative point of view -

                      http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kralis/060722

                      A not so conservative point of view --

                      http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?art...ence&refid=018

                      Hey, Thailand is the LEADER! Look at that! 800,000 kids in the sex trade!

                      So -- Thailand is not, in my humble opinion, a good model for the North American or European tourist industry to follow. Any country that condones such a "business" is one that is ONLY interested in money.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by OZJames View Post
                        We should not be so arragant to think that our dollar is more important to them than their religion and beliefs.

                        JAMES
                        Why not? The unfortunate reality with these religious back waters of the world is that nobody challenges their behavior. Exposing these places to alternative cultures and practices, in a positive uplifting manner, is the best thing we can do for them.

                        Ultimately if we can not gain communications channels with these cultures and show to them there is little threat from the modern world we will have to destroy them as a hazard to the rest of the world. The biggest ally that people like Bin Laden have is the overwhelming ignorance they can leverage. Reduce this ignorance in any way possible and we have a chance for peaceful resolution to the current world crisis.

                        Dave

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                        • #27
                          I think that it is important to realize that Wiz is responding to a comment about Bali, not Thailand which has more recently emerged as a topic for discussion. Thailand is many things, but not really a "religious backwater".

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                          • #28
                            Thailand is a country I will not go to or spend my money in due to my personal principles of the sex traffixing of young girls. It is one of the most prolific traders of young girls into the sex trades. Despite the efforts made by some who bring these issues to the attention of the authorities, nothing is done.

                            I encourage others to stay away from Thailand until these atrocities are remedied. Currently, various Thai agencies along with non-profits are working hard to change this sex trade of young Thai girls. It's a long road to go but persistence should pay off.
                            Last edited by MoonShadow; 10-15-2007, 03:59 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by wiz View Post
                              Why not? The unfortunate reality with these religious back waters of the world is that nobody challenges their behavior. Exposing these places to alternative cultures and practices, in a positive uplifting manner, is the best thing we can do for them.

                              Ultimately if we can not gain communications channels with these cultures and show to them there is little threat from the modern world we will have to destroy them as a hazard to the rest of the world. The biggest ally that people like Bin Laden have is the overwhelming ignorance they can leverage. Reduce this ignorance in any way possible and we have a chance for peaceful resolution to the current world crisis.

                              Dave
                              OMG :eek:
                              "Might makes right"
                              OMG

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MoonShadow View Post
                                Thailand is a country I will not go to or spend my money in due to my personal principles of the sex traffixing of young girls. It is one of the most prolific traders of young girls into the sex trades. Despite the efforts made by some who bring these issues to the attention of the authorities, nothing is done.
                                That's what I was trying to say. Thailand will let just about anything go on, as long as it makes money.

                                One of the situations that exists in our world is that there is a market for everything. If the rest of the world finds something reprehensible, appalling, offensive, etc., and goes out of its way to rid the planet of it, someone, somewhere will embrace it, legalize it, market it and profit from it. Most of the world finds that activity illegal. Sadly, Thailand embraces it and profits from it.

                                The US could enforce sanctions, but golly gee whiz, what a cheap manufacturing center that is!

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