Why There Aren't More Women in Nudism?

[Elendil]

In my blog, I posted a a clip of two women's experience going to a nude beach. Mind you this happened in Croatia, but I've see/heard worse happening here in America.

[Rabid_Clam]

Understandably this happened in Croatia but what of more civilized areas we frequent? Maybe our focus would be better served by discussing England, USA, Canada and other places we may frequent!

[garbo]

If anyone would take the time to review the hundreds of prior threads discussing this very topic, one would undoubtedly find an endless list of reasons why many women are resistant to accepting nudism. Perhaps the purpose of this subject is not just to list the reasons, but ultimately for us to find counter arguments or at least lead to meaningful discussions with our reluctant spouses or significant others.

I tried to feel out the interest level of my significant other a while back and she told me that she did not oppose the concept of nudism but just did not have an interest in the lifestyle. She is in her mid 50's, very independent, secure with her body image and does not seem to care about what others may think or say. Upon my request, we spent a day at our local resort without issue. After several additional visits, she is now enjoying it more and able to socialize with others.

If more women were able to relax and just give it a try, to forget about all the stigmas and phobias for a day, it might be a very different experience.

[MoonShadow]

I couldn't open the link on the website but will assume that what it says is how young women, particularly fit and attractive ones do get hit on at nude beaches. This has happened many times to me and some friends when we were in our 20s an 30s.

Our solution was to just move from where we were sitting or go to another location. Nude beaches are not the only places you get hit on as some resorts are the same and some are even worse than nude beaches....and my experience the hits were largely from married men!

You have to find the resort(s) you are comfortable with as well as beaches (although both may require some travel time).

[rn_davidson]

I have always thought that if you take the "SEX" out of nudism today there would be way less "violations" happening. If everyone was always nude, would there be anyone taking pictures of anyone for someone elses benefit?

[Croydon]

The clip states three big points as to why the lack of women in nudism.

1) Too many men

2) Too many older men

3) Men who are pests.

We can not do much about one and two. We can safely assume that men are comfortable with being nude. Perhaps because there aren't a lot of pressure on men to look their best, be fit, look young etc etc. In this country, I find that it is acceptable for man to be fat than a woman.

As for number two, there are in fact a lot of older men in nudism. What can one do? Nothing. It is just the way it is. It also shows that young people just wish to socialize with others their own age. It has nothing to do with not wanting to talk to older people but we will have a better time when we can socialize with those our own age.

#3: This I see A LOT in nudism. Men being pest, especially older men. You see it on beach, you see it at the resorts and you see it here on CFF. I find it hilarious. Once a woman walk in, especially a young one, the men (ESPECIALLY the older men) behave like horny teenage boys. As if they have never seen a woman before. It especially happens on CFF a lot. A new female member joins and posts, the men here are all too happy to welcome her and be her "tour guide." I once took a female friend of mine to Sandy Hook when we were in college. She is young, attractive and very fit body. I took a back seat at the beach and watch as these old men run to talk to her. She was quite a good sport about it and we both enjoyed the laugh. Only once I had to tell a guy to back off because he couldn't take a hint that she isn't interested.

For women, the constant come on can be annoying and leaving you feeling uncomfortable. Guys just need to learn to BACK OFF.

[Rabid_Clam]

Yes, Croydon, this is too much the case and is unfair to both the women and the decent males that are in such environments. Not much one can do about it, is primordial and has not been 'trained' out of them by their parents.

[WNYjoe17]

I fully agree.
But would also add that our society has such an exact, unrealistic image of what their bodies should look like that many women feel they couldn't do so without losing weight, losing the scars, etc.

Joe

[chuckincville]

Originally posted by garbo:
If anyone would take the time to review the hundreds of prior threads discussing this very topic, one would undoubtedly find an endless list of reasons why many women are resistant to accepting nudism. Perhaps the purpose of this subject is not just to list the reasons, but ultimately for us to find counter arguments or at least lead to meaningful discussions with our reluctant spouses or significant others.

If more women were able to relax and just give it a try, to forget about all the stigmas and phobias for a day, it might be a very different experience.

That's why I'm interesed in this post. I am looking for "counter arguments" to try to convince my wife to give nudism a try. She is more than relunctant -- I don't know if you call it a phobia or what. She says that being nude is an intimacy to be shared between the two of us. She can't see how you can seperate sex from nudity - (except maybe in the shower).
Any suggestions? Or can you point me to previous posts or other resources?

As to the link -- My question is - what would the girls reaction have been if they would have been "hit on " by some young "hunk"? Only they could answer that. Being a "wolf" is not restricted to old men.
Anyway - isn't that a problem with beaches? My undersanding is that this is not a problem at clubs and resorts. And don't nudist/naturists come in all ages?

[DoctorSurferDude]

Croydon is right on.....the reason there aren't more women is....MEN.

I think there are a lot of good nudist men, in fact I KNOW there are. But I've also seen over and over and over and over and over again the kind of desperate behavior that occurs when I bring a girl to the beach.

When I was single, more than half the time I would go to a beach or resort by myself. It was lonely and occasionally I would see a single female on the beach, but I would never bother then, never sit by them....mainly because I didn't want to be like those "other guys" who surrounded them within an hour and basically made them so uncomfortable they had to move or leave.

As I became more comfortable with nudism, I would mention it to my friends. I introduced somewhere around 10 women to nudism when I was single. I enjoyed introducing them to something new and fun....HOWEVER....when I started to take a female with me to the beach or resort, EVERYTHING changed. All of a sudden the single guys came out of the woodwork....all of a sudden they came over to welcome "us". All of a sudden they come up and talk to "us" on the beach. I've made the mistake of leaving my friend on the beach while I went to go pee...BIG mistake. A couple of my friends made the mistake of assuming if going without me to the beach the men would be as polite....BIG mistake. The contrast in behavior of the men in the presence and absence of a female was painfully transparent.

And...as Croydon mentioned, this forum has fallen under that plauge. If I end up posting on a topic where a new female is writing....I try and make a habit of including a blurb requesting her to just never check her mailbox... Out in the real world, I tell females to never go to a nude beach by themselves, only with a trustable male by their side. Resorts are the only place a female can enjoy a nude day alone....but not because they won't be bothered, it has more to do with the fact that they can REPORT the guys who bother them. Sad condition.

So...Why aren't more women involved in nudism??

1) Too many men

2) Too many older men

3) Men who are pests.

[Croydon]

I think a lot of single nudist men are seeking nudist women, hence why they come off as desperate when they are around nude women.

I have always said that nudist men seeking nudist women as partners are wasting their times. The likelihood of that happening is SLIM. There are so few nudist women who are nudist and even fewer who are single. Your best is meeting a regular gal and opening her to nudism.

Believe me, if the girl at the beach or resort is interested in you, she would approach you.

[Boreas]

I have commented on this in previous threads. I think Croydon and Dr. Surfer have it right....men. That is one reason. It is the reason I have "Happily Married" on my posts. As soon as I disclosed I was female, I got all kinds of PMs, even from one man in this thread, looking for friendship. Not interested.

People in here have commented about society's pressures on women to have good bodies. I don't think that is as big a deal as other social pressures. For instance, traditionally, if a woman was sexually or physically assaulted it was somehow her fault. Women have quickly been labelled as tramps (and other words that will likely get this post bleeped) very easily. Women have traditionally been taught to dress modestly. It still happens today in some form. Look what happened to Janet Jackson over one breast. Okay, so that was TV and the real world would be different right? Wrong.

Women are also either revered as in the Virgin Mary, or reviled as temptresses. This is still a man's world in many ways. This makes it difficult for women to bare all.

I have not gone to a public nudist venue yet, mostly due to the distances involved to get to one. I have participated in safe social nude situations with safe friends. My friends have a hot tub and use that as an ice breaker for newbie nudists.

I would caution against too much pressure on your female friends to try nudism. If there is any chance she sees it as a wierd sexual thing, you may send her running.

[chuckincville]

I find this thread to be pretty discouraging if not depressing. It certainly seems to bust the bubble of nudism/naturism as advertised by AANR & TNS.
For the most part I have enjoyed this Forum - I have found some amazing, insightful, and intelligent posts on a wide range of topics. I've also seen a lot of "ad hominen" arguments, broad generalizations, and distrust. So I guess people are pretty much the same wheather they are nudists or "textiles".
Was I misinformed or just naive to think that nudist/naturist were good, helpful, friendly people and nudism was a healthy wholesome activity?
The problem here - as my wife tried to warn me (she's smarter than me) - is the internet. Because there are so many wierdos out there you have to be suspicious and guarded.
I'm convinced that I won't find the answers I'm looking for here. I think I'm pretty much done.
Best wishes to all true nudists here - keep your sunny side up.

[Ed 2]

Ditto to what the Doctor and Croydon said. If there was only a way make guarantee that all men that go to beaches were gentlemen. Those "other guys" give the good guys a bad name. It is an unfair, but understandable, stereotype for all men.

[Walt Iliff]

As a life-long (well 40 years) mainly resort/club nudist, with occasional visits to a few beaches, I have observed the rude beach behavior practiced by certain men. For those of you who are regular beach goers, is it possible to get together and establish a "no hassle zone" where couples and single females can congregate with the central rule being, "Unless I initiate the conversation, please respect my privacy." I know at Haulover, there are beach "ambassadors" who try to maintain a certain level of decorum, but the problem is that the beach is a public place, but there is still strength in numbers, and if certain individuals were to become intrusive, they could be politely told that "she/they is/are with us." When I took a group of people to Playalinda a few years ago, we hung out with the Central Florida Naturist group and they were very helpful in keeping unwanted attention away from the kids who were there with us. I especially liked when a very persistent guy chose to set up his chair a few feet away from the kids' blanket and refused to move saying that it was a public beach and he could sit wherever he liked. The Naturist group agreed with him and formed a circle around his chair so that the only view this guy had was a sea of middle aged male butts. After a very few minutes of this, the guy packed up his stuff and moved on down the beach.

Walt