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**rightwine** · 04-17-2003, 05:27 PM

Not long ago my wife and myself, another couple and a female friend of my wife?s went to spend a long holyday at a beach house in a rather hot and humid country. It was early in the evening. The Sun had completely set and it was beginning to get dark. There was no moon, but lots of stars and a warm ocean. So I announced that to me the conditions were given and perfect for a skinny dip swim. Of course, I asked if anybody would want to come along with me?

"Are you crazy? How can you suggest that? Well, if you enjoy it so much, go ahead and do it."

So I went to a private room, got naked and grabbed a towel which I used to walk through the house and to walk to the seashore ?decently? covered.

I even walked a few yards away from the direction of the house and simply let the towel on the shore and got myself into the warm waters of that late Summer night. The feeling was great. Something very special.

Not even 5 minutes had elapsed when I noticed that they were all coming to the beach, of course, totally dressed, but especially the women (not my wife) were using the flashlights to spot me in the water.

?Swim actively!? I could hear the women saying, and laughing.

My swimming went on for several minutes, probably close to one full hour. They were simply sitting on the shore, waiting for me to get out.

So I decided to discreetly get out of the water by walking to the spot where I had left my towel. And guess what? The towel wasn?t there! My wife?s friends had picked it up and had hidden it somewhere around them.

I warned them that I was going to walk toward them to get the towel and all they did is start pointing their flashlights at me! They were laughing and apparently enjoying my nakedness. I mean, I am a fair man, no belly but no muscle and a regular size penis. Nothing special. An average male of the species.

But the women, including my wife, were simply enjoying the whole experience, while I was sitting in the middle of the group, on a little chair noticing how they were actively watching my nakedness.

The only other male in the group finally handed me the hidden towel and that part of the fun was over for that night.

Why didn?t they all proceed to swimming naked along with me on such a great night? Would anybody doubt that that was exactly what they felt like doing, but simply didn?t do it because they felt insecure of a decision in that direction?

Deep down, the sincere person inside every single social or cultural ?educated? human being, desires that feeling of freedom and to merge with Nature that nudity offers.

**Ottergirl77** · 04-18-2003, 02:39 AM

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Why didn’t they all proceed to swimming naked along with me on such a great night? Would anybody doubt that that was exactly what they felt like doing, but simply didn’t do it because they felt insecure of a decision in that direction?

Yeah, I bet that's EXACTLY the reason. Of course, I'm here because I think the idea of being nude sounds fun (never actually done it in public though), but I can't imagine anyone NOT wanting to skinny dip *LOL*

Nudity isn't the only area where people deny themselves what they want because of fear - I've stayed sitting when I've wanted to dance, quiet when I've wanted to sing, and indoors when I've wanted to be outside swimming in the ocean, all because I was afraid of what people would think. It's sad how we roll ourselves into quiet little lumps and suppress who we want to be.

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-Ottergirl [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

**barelybob** · 04-18-2003, 02:59 AM

I am very open and honest concerning my naturism, and I have noticed that many people actually seem jealous. It's as if they too would like to be as free, but feel they must deny themselves in the name of propriety.

Most of us loosen up with age, but not on an equal basis. Some never seem to be able to allow themselves to really enjoy life. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

**nudeM** · 04-18-2003, 06:45 AM

Being able to enjoy nudity starts at a very young age, as you know, as a kid, clothes were considered a hinderance. That's why young children love to take baths. It gives them a chance to run around the house naked. As we grew up, the "cuteness" of running around the house naked, seemed to disappear. Parents told us we must put on clothes, as being naked was not good. As we further grew up, living in a textile house, we became more and more embarassed about being seen naked, by our parents. As stated by this post, I agree, that deep inside, we all like to be naked at one time or another, be it in a social environment or in our own little hide-out (bedroom, parents being gone, etc.).

Having started being nude around the house at an advancing age, I have noticed the kids are somewhat embarassed by a "dad who doesn't wear clothes". My youngest, 14 years old, has accepted the fact, but is uncomfortable by my nudity. So I cover up, except when it's extremely hot and muggy, then it's no clothes at all.

Just my three cents worth (inflation). Take it for what it's worth.

**florida-david** · 04-18-2003, 10:49 AM

that is a great story. i too am in florida, i wonder where you are at. i would love to know how old you are and the ages of the couples, this has a big impact on the events.

i agree that most people that have a clue of my nudity are jealous. they are unsure how to shake off societies programming that nudity is bad. maybe one day we can all accept our body and have fun naked together like little kids. nudity is so natural, its fun!!!

**rightwine** · 04-18-2003, 04:28 PM

The women have all regretted not to have taken advantage of such a beautiful night with such a warm ocean. They asked me if I didn?t feel ashamed of having been naked in front of all of us. But, of course, shame was the last feeling I might have ever felt.

My wife swims naked in our pool, but only when she is positive that no one is around to see her. I even felt a little betrayed by the fact that she went swimming naked one very hot morning without telling me. Her explanation was simply that if she had invited me to join her, she was afraid I might have interpreted her invitation as a call to sexual activity.

Of course, I wondered why such an interpretation would not have been a desirable one, and, indeed, why sexual activity in or around our pool would not have been a good way to spend the few minutes of life involved in it. I still don?t get a complete answer to that. (My wife feels like engaging in active sex only during her three or four days around her ovulation. Then she takes the initiative and enjoys it and demands it. But before or after those 3 or 4 days, total abstention is her style. Do any of you know of a remedy against such style?)

Going back to our beach experience, two of the women finally admitted that they would have gone swimming naked if only they had had better body figures. One of them, with the perfect body figure, simply declared that it would be ?crazy but a lot of fun? to do that.

My 12-year-old daughter happens to feel very comfortable moving around the house naked once in a while, especially when our house help people are absent. She even made me take a picture of her blossoming little breasts. My 19-year-old daughter is not too careful about showing herself in underwear or with a casual towel slightly covering her nakedness. However, my 17-year old son would never even remotely consider being naked in a social situation. Why the difference in attitudes? You tell me! They were all raised in exactly the same way!

One more thing: we must admit that nakedness does raise our libido, doesn?t it? Shouldn?t it? Please, share your experience on that respect.

**Doug H** · 04-18-2003, 08:18 PM

If you mean to say that, with humans being sexual beings, nudity cannot be completely desexualized; I will agree.

To that I would add, if nudity becomes a normal state of dress like other forms of accepted public dress, then being nude becomes no MORE sexual than being dressed.

I'm not sure if it's been phrased in that fashion by those in organized naturism, but I'm fairly sure that that is what is meant.

Doug H.

**stevenf64** · 04-18-2003, 09:20 PM

NudeM I could not agree more it is not till we instill in the children that nude is bad and we must be clothed that they even care. how many of us have or know people who have had a child(ren) take off nude in the driveway,etc. rightwine the boy doesnt want to most likely because it is more obviouse that he is embarrased. try to get him some friends that age that are into nudism and you would probably find when you are not around and its just the kids that he is just as into it as everyone else. I wish you luck. another thing you could do is if you are into outdoor activities maybe you could go off just the two of you camping or something. good luck

**luvnaturism** · 04-19-2003, 05:36 AM

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Originally posted by Ottergirl77:
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Nudity isn't the only area where people deny themselves what they want because of fear - I've stayed sitting when I've wanted to dance, quiet when I've wanted to sing, and indoors when I've wanted to be outside swimming in the ocean, all because I was afraid of what people would think. It's sad how we roll ourselves into quiet little lumps and suppress who we want to be.
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This strikes me as a profound comment. I think most of us miss a lot of life because of fear that we'll be rejected by friends, family, or work associates. This is especially sad because most of those other people aren't paying attention to us anyway. They're busy with their own fears.

Many elderly people say that, if they could do it over again, they'd take more risks. Those of us who aren't yet elderly still have time!

**Nude in the North** · 04-19-2003, 06:22 AM

"What will people think"?

That really hit home to me.

My Mother LIVED by those words. She spent her whole life concerned about not doing anything that might cause other people to gossip about her. And whenever I did something "wrong" as I was growing up, I was asked "What will people think".
She denied herself so many things because of her fear that people would think badly of her actions. She remarried when she was around 55 years old for companionship. She couldn't just move in with him because of "what people would think".
After a year or so she came to realize that this guy was nothing but a Drunken loser that had lied to her about everything just so he could get a House Keeper.
She came to me to tell me she wished she could get a Divorce from him. But " What would people think".
I looked her right in the eyes and said, "Maybe people will think that you are getting smarter". We talked about it for hours.
She left him the next day and lived the rest of her life happy and free from abuse.

I don't care what people think. It's my life not theirs.

Steve

**Guest** · 04-19-2003, 09:22 AM

I've always been one to be concerned about what others would think, and I got tired of living that way. I finally realized that other people are only interested in finding fault, and why should I CARE what they think? There is only ONE besides myself to Whom I have to account, and He has no problem with nudity.

**luvnaturism** · 04-19-2003, 10:23 AM

"What will people think"?

Years ago I ran across a comment that has stayed with me, though I long ago forgot the writer.

"When I was 20 I worried about what others would think of me. When I was 40 I quit worrying about what others were thinking of me. When I was 60 I realized that they had never been paying attention to me in the first place."

**Trailscout** · 04-19-2003, 01:35 PM

nudeM,

I grew up in a house with some casual nudity, but some of the kids in the neighborhood used to joke that being naked was for babies and we learned shame from them. Still, Dad's example (and Mom and Granny's to a lesser degree) eventually won out.

Perhaps, as one of the previous posts suggests, your son has opportunities to be nude with friends in gym locker rooms, on campouts he will eventually grow less self conscious about being in his natural state.

I was in scouts and we sometimes went skinnydipping in the lake or a river. At church camp in the shower houses we spent a lot of time in the nude laughing and telling jokes, climbing up a ledge and just general horseplay. Some of us (age 11) also tried to get a peek at the girls when they were in their shower house. Too bad they made such a mystery about females. At nudist parks, the kids of both sexes are free to see each other and play wholesome games in their natural state.

I think there is still time to turn your family in the right direction. Looks like you making up for past mistakes.

Best wishes!

**Jochanaan** · 04-20-2003, 09:07 PM

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Deep down, the sincere person inside every single social or cultural ?educated? human being, desires that feeling of freedom and to merge with Nature that nudity offers.

I certainly agree. We can see this in the fascination with nudity or as close to it as "acceptable" in studio movies and other products of the mass media. Art books of nudes are always fingered in bookstores; I have seen some nude photo books for sale that were practically destroyed. And most people acquainted with the visual arts know the difference between nudity and pornography. (Hmmmm...allies?)

But early conditioning dies hard, as eloquently described in some previous posts. And so many people have extreme difficulty allowing themselves to be free and happy, thinking that true freedom and true happiness are somehow against God or society's rules when they really aren't. I myself have not done far too many good things because of what my friends might think of me. Ottergirl seems a real treasure since she knows how she's denied herself. (Dance, Ottergirl, dance and sing and swim in the ocean--clothes-free!)

I am reminded of a quote from C.S. Lewis' "Perelandra," one of his science-fiction novels: "It [the scent of a Venusian floating island] was sharp, sweet, wild, and holy, all in one, and in any world where men's nerves have ceased to obey their central desires would doubtless have been aphrodisiac too, but not in Perelandra." He has put his finger on the problem as usual: the association of any strong pleasure with sin and sexuality. And in The Screwtape Letters, Lewis says: "[God's] a hedonist at heart. He makes no secret of it: 'At his right hand are pleasures evermore.'" The impulse to deny pleasure altogether (and in the altogether [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] ) is a devilish twisting of the Scriptural teaching that some kinds of pleasure are not beneficial.

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