Your city declared all public places where clothing optional

[ranul]

What kind of reaction do you think there will be

[Corky]

Probably not much change. People need to see others do it first.

[nudeyooper]

I agree with Corky. In places where the nipple has been freed, not many enjoy that freedom. We have a bit of hypocrisy about us. We tend to love nudity as long as it is others who are nude. Look at how the media exploits celebrities who dare to go topless or wear a very skimpy bikini. Granted that most of that attention seems to be directed at women, but there will be an occasional story of a skinny dipping male. If there was not a market for it, the stories would not get printed and the photos would stay in the cameras. After ten years in these forums, many of us report that our neighbors are ok with us being nude in our homes or secluded yards, but they are not ready to join us in the pleasure of being nude during everyday activities.

[nudeM]

I agree with Corky. In places where the nipple has been freed, not many enjoy that freedom........

That may be true, but the female seems to be more accepting of being topless than a male being fully exposed. The female breast may seem inappropriate whereas the penis is considered to be obscene and vulgar. Therein lies the hypocrisy that we are NOT on equal footing.

[nudeyooper]

That may be true, but the female seems to be more accepting of being topless than a male being fully exposed. The female breast may seem inappropriate whereas the penis is considered to be obscene and vulgar. Therein lies the hypocrisy that we are NOT on equal footing.

That's a very valid point, especially when you consider that often the sight of a penis by someone who has one is offensive. In so many ways we have regressed. Our swimsuits once were tight enough to have a bulge in the front. Now they are so baggy that it takes a lot of effort to really swim in them. The locker room situation is just as crazy with shower cubicles and doing the towel dance.
I'm a 50's 60's kid who grew up in a house with Mom, Dad, and four brothers. All of us saw each other's penis on a regular basis. We shared bed and bath rooms. We went to schools with gang showers at the gym and the pool. It was not too many years ago that I was admonished for walking through the house naked in front of my son-in-law, and today I have to be careful not to expose myself to my grandsons, even though we share the hot tub together while nude.
Yet, as a society we love to look at naked people in movies and TV, other places that are inequitable. In some nude scenes the women can be full frontal. It is rare to view a man without some prop to cover or only be shown from the backside. This is true of many of the videos produced by clubs and resorts. So if the nudists can't really be free, how can we expect others to accept us?

[cyndiann]

New York City is that way. It's legal to be top free at least but most don't do it, many don't know it's legal. Even cops don't know it's legal. I know for photo shoots the photographer will carry a copy of the law on them because the cops will most likely show up and try to make them dress.

[ranul]

New York City is that way. It's legal to be top free at least but most don't do it, many don't know it's legal. Even cops don't know it's legal. I know for photo shoots the photographer will carry a copy of the law on them because the cops will most likely show up and try to make them dress.

What if they not only made the Law allowing Top Freedom but they also put up signs informing the public.

[nudeyooper]

What if they not only made the Law allowing Top Freedom but they also put up signs informing the public.

Where would you put the signs? Though the law allows it, the culture does not and will not until a large number of women choose to exercise that freedom. The more they do so in groups, the more attention the movement will get. Bare breasts though pixelated on TV do make the news. It takes a lot of people to change culture and there are two great issues here. One is that most women who would like to exercise that freedom still feel self conscious. Men do as well about going shirtless. Another is that there will always be a segment of society, even though it may be small, that has a voice loud enough to make "rules" that a majority do not necessarily want.

[calcmandan]

Most women I know won't go topless if it were legal, even if it were on the beach. And the last time I was on the beach in europe, three years ago, less than half the women were topless. Most women I know consider their breasts an erogenous zone and not for display. A few women I know wouldn't even go braless. The few I know that do go braless are judged by most the other women I know for being braless. It's so strange.

Even if the laws allowed for public nudity, I don't think we'd see a major increase. My city alone recently banned public nudity for anyone over 8 years old only a few years ago. This was only because some mentally ill dude kept going to the parks and harassing the people (including the children) there. naturally, one must allow the mentally ill to dictate the laws in the US. But, until then, nudity wasn't specifically illegal. I NEVER saw nude people.

And in the early 90s, it was legal to be nude in California cities. some dudes decided to take it upon themselves to appear in college butt naked sans shoes and backpack. The laws were quickly written to ban this. Here's the thing, the student population didn't mind the nudity. It was funny to them, and eventually, they largely grew used to it.

I was in high school at the time and wished I was old enough to be in college because i wanted to see naked people. What can I say? I was a hormonal teenager.

[ranul]

Where would you put the signs? Though the law allows it, the culture does not and will not until a large number of women choose to exercise that freedom. The more they do so in groups, the more attention the movement will get. Bare breasts though pixelated on TV do make the news. It takes a lot of people to change culture and there are two great issues here. One is that most women who would like to exercise that freedom still feel self conscious. Men do as well about going shirtless. Another is that there will always be a segment of society, even though it may be small, that has a voice loud enough to make "rules" that a majority do not necessarily want.

One location would at the entrance to all parks beaches along the walking path just to name a few locations

[Bob S.]

"Though the law allows it, the culture does not and will not until a large number of women choose to exercise that freedom."

Therein lies the problem nudeyooper, The acceptance of women going topless in public won't increase until more women go topless in public. How can this become more popularized when, as calcmandan mentioned, even when legal, most women don't participate? Of course, most NY residents do not think they are allowed to go topless in public legally, so right now, it is viewed as a legal and moral issue.

It is a shame that the first instinct for politicians who dislike a certain behaviour is to make a law against it, but then again, they usually took that job because they wanted to make laws. Most simply cannot conceive that there are non-legal ways to curb certain behaviours or that some behaviours shouldn't be made illegal, specifically those that can be easily ignored.

Bob S.

[nudeM]

[QUOTE=Bob S.;n550886]
...."Therein lies the problem nudeyooper, The acceptance of women going topless in public won't increase until more women go topless in public. How can this become more popularized when, as calcmandan mentioned, even when legal, most women don't participate? Of course, most NY residents do not think they are allowed to go topless in public legally, so right now, it is viewed as a legal and moral issue....."
Bob S.

The only time women will choose to go topless en masse is when they choose to protest. For some reason, they think they can get more attention to get their points across. As far as casually going topless, it's true, women will not participate.
There are more stories of women going topless in protest than men going bottomless for any reason.

[nudeyooper]

[QUOTE=nudeM;n550887]

There are more stories of women going topless in protest than men going bottomless for any reason.

Then maybe the men of New York could protest the lack of knowledge of the law allowing women to go topless by staging a protest march where the protesters are bottomless.

[EltonJ]

[QUOTE=nudeyooper;n550888]

Then maybe the men of New York could protest the lack of knowledge of the law allowing women to go topless by staging a protest march where the protesters are bottomless.

Sounds like an idea.

[cyndiann]

[QUOTE=nudeM;n550887]

...."Therein lies the problem nudeyooper, The acceptance of women going topless in public won't increase until more women go topless in public. How can this become more popularized when, as calcmandan mentioned, even when legal, most women don't participate? Of course, most NY residents do not think they are allowed to go topless in public legally, so right now, it is viewed as a legal and moral issue....."
Bob S.

The only time women will choose to go topless en masse is when they choose to protest. For some reason, they think they can get more attention to get their points across. As far as casually going topless, it's true, women will not participate.
There are more stories of women going topless in protest than men going bottomless for any reason.

Women would never participate in something like that and it's mostly because they don't know which men around them are safe. Men are an issue for women no matter where they are. Men are the ones that assault us. We can't tell by looking at you if you are one of the safe ones or one of the guys that feel it's ok to treat women as less than human. If it was a situation where it was all women the chances of being comfortable with nudity go way up.