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    We have lost an important battle in California. It seems that the people with religion and "morals" are winning. Start fighting people...if they get away with this in California, the rest of the country is next.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAQJ18S5RR.DTL

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    Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

    WOW ! This whole thing looks like it's going from bad to worse...

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    • #3
      Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

      Originally posted by nudiarist
      It's looking more and more that the California Department of Parks and Recreation played AANR as the fool, by effectively taking them out of the legal battle by "promising" to work with them on creating "remote" clothing-optional areas.

      I don't care anymore about all the finger pointing between AANR and the NAC. These organizations need to set aside their differences and work together to save the California beaches.

      Nobody saw it coming, but it's clear now where it's going to go if nudists and naturists don't unite on this issue.
      If AANR & NAC don't get their act together, resorts are next.

      Quote from a message from the GAT team at AANR:

      "AANR’s effort continues
      We believe that whenever possible, working together internally as well as externally just makes sense. Litigation should only be entered into when all other avenues are closed. NAC has taken the position that the only thing that was saving nudists’ rights to be nude on public lands in California was their litigation. As recent events have shown, this is simply untrue. In fact, only the goodwill of the Department, and the commitments made to AANR on behalf of the nudist community, restrain the Department from an outright ban on nudity in ALL California parks.

      Where do we go from here?
      We have repeatedly offered to bring various groups into a working partnership with AANR and the Department. These efforts have been rebuked time and time again, with the position being that we cannot and should not trust the parks department, and that anything short of designation is a waste of time. Yet Cahill, as it is currently being applied by California Parks, is working.

      Is it possible that the Department is disingenuous in its repeated offers to work with us? Certainly. However to date, they have been good to their word. Again, given NAC’s loss at the appellate court level, there is nothing but the Department’s goodwill and statements they have made to us that keeps it from dropping Cahill entirely.

      Finally, there is a clear positive side that will be felt far outside of the state of California from AANR’s effort. With the Department’s reaffirmation of Cahill in writing, multiple federal landed agencies are working with us toward establishing Cahill-like policies that will have the force of law elsewhere if these projects stay on track. These agencies have made it clear that the most persuasive argument for them has been California ’s declaration of how well Cahill has worked for the last 30 years."

      Now. "Where do we go from here?"

      Looks downhill to me.

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      • #4
        Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

        I would expect some kind of information to come from AANR and NAC. They had better get it together on this, because if California stamps out nude use of traditional nude beaches, we are all done. The Feds will be right behind them, as will other states. As California goes, so goes the Nation. It's time to go all in.

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        • #5
          Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

          It already has happened some years ago here in the east. Nudity was prohibited there around 30+ years ago. New England nudists and naturists used to engage in a cooperative venture and have an annual beach clean-up.

          To me, it didn't seem like it did a lot of good.

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          • #6
            Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

            Originally posted by nudiarist
            AANR's claim that Cahill is "working" would be laughable if it were not so pathetically dead wrong. It might have "worked" in the past, but now the Cahill policy has been rejected by the Department of Parks and Recreation, and declared invalid by the courts.
            It is my impression that AANR works only for the resorts. To be a member of my resort, I am 'forced' to pay dues to AANr. I don't believe I'm getting my money's worth.

            Originally posted by nudiarist
            It was not NAC's lawsuit that made this situation worse. The DPR blindsided everyone by declaring an end to nudity at San Onofre in the first place, and it was only the NAC that stood up for naturist rights. AANR decided to play it cool and try and negotiate with the DPR, which led them on with empty words and promises, and taking them out of the fight.
            Letting the State dictate what is a 'remote' site will lead to the total end of Cahill

            Originally posted by nudiarist
            Unless AANR can show concrete evidence that their negotiations with the DPR are bearing fruit, their role in this affair has been disasterous. Not only did they split from the NAC, giving the impression that nudists and naturists were divided on this issue, they emboldened the DPR by showing weakness through appeasement.
            "Divided we fall"

            Originally posted by nudiarist
            With this new announcement that ALL nude beaches on state land face elimination, AANR needs to level with all of its members on what is really going on behind the scenes with the DPR. No more letters, no more promises, no more words - there needs to be proof.
            AANR is trying to be mainstream. They are not making any headway with their Government Affairs Team. I think it's all show.

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            • #7
              Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

              This matter needs to be taken head on by the voting public. Traditionally AANR and before that ASA were known for representing the club nudists, that was their function and they still do that really well. The Naturist Society and there political arm the Naturist Action Committee has always represented the beach nudists/naturists. It appears that the Cahill Policy is no longer in effect, the CA Parks Dept found an unwitting partner in getting it nullified, on the grounds of remoteness. YEAH RIGHT! San Onofre is further from the parking lot that many nude beaches.

              I think it is only by strong legal action and perhaps getting something on the ballot we will be able to hold onto our beaches in CA. I am not especially hopeful that we can do that, the demographics in CA have changed a lot since the late 1970's CA is a much more conservative state than it used to be. But perhaps if these government agencies were made more aware of how much revenue $$$$ we nudists bring in they might reconsider. The state is hurting for cash, now more than I can ever recall. Maybe, just maybe, with an effective lobbying campaign illustrating the buying power of nudists we can hang on. It strikes me as bizzarre that the state is hurting for cash so bad that it is considering legalizing Marijuana but then they crack down in nude beaches! WTF??? I think there is a basic misunderstanding about how dangerous nude beaches are. I think that someone is using their position to forward their own personal agenda and that agenda is to the right of most voters. The time has come for a serious letter writting campaign to let them know just how many voting nudists there are out there.

              Finally if AANR or GAT or NAC or TNS or any other nudist organization has any clout they need to flex it and I mean right now!!!! Get a grass roots campaign started and let those elected officials know we do not appreciate having OUR PUBLIC BEACHES TAKEN FROM US!

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              • #8
                Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                What they need to crack down on are the nude beach abusers: those who come to ogle, get high or drunk, or otherwise behave inappropriately. Gray Whale Cove has gotten a bit out of hand in this regard, but I'd hate to see nude use completely prohibited.

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                • #9
                  Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                  Originally posted by nudiarist
                  I don't care anymore about all the finger pointing between AANR and the NAC. These organizations need to set aside their differences and work together to save the California beaches.

                  I think you fail to understand, or have missed, that NAC has extended the hand of friendship and partnership on more than one occasion.

                  It has been bitten or ignored repeatedly.

                  If this bothers you as much as it does, I'd suggest you contact Eric Shutauff at AANR. His e-mail address is listed on the AANR web site and the AANR office has an 800 number.

                  NAC's executive director Bob Morton is at: [email protected] or by telephoning at the number published on their web site (http://www.naturistaction.org). This is a public and published dedicated number for NAC answered "Naturist Action Committee" by Bob himself.

                  If you prefer, e-mail me direct at [email protected] and I'll give you the numbers directly.

                  I think we would all like to see a joint effort but as the old saying goes, it takes two to tango. If one partner wants to dance and the other one doesn't, then you sit it out or dance with someone else. It's pretty much that simple... really.

                  When one party continues to advance itself as the sole "credible voice" in social nudism, it is clear that they are not interested in a tango, waltz, or any other two-step with any partner.

                  DMK

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                  • #10
                    Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                    Speaking as a member of AANR (and only a member), I can tell you here in VA there used to be an area in Fairfax County (suburban D.C.) that was open to nudists...and that Wallops Island was open as well before the Feds stepped in.:disappointed:
                    While personally I'd love for there to be parts of Shenandoah National Park (which, BTW, I can see from my apartment) made available for nudists, I'm not holding my breath. There's just not any wooded areas public or private where one can be free.
                    Someone was blindsided on San Onofre.:surprised: Who, I don't know (or care). What's important is that somebody's got to step up to the plate to fight for us. First the beaches, next the resorts...after that, what?? Our homes??

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                    • #11
                      Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                      I don't think the fight is lost in California. I think we will have to have someone get arrested and test the system. I know in the early 1970's there were lots of cases like that where dozens were arrested in raids by the cops and after we organized and got some representation we got recognized. The Cahill policy was a compromise to deal with the situation, they were trying to get legally recognized nude beaches but the state wouldn't go for it. The Cahill policy has been cited by the California State Supreme Court. I think it is time to get serious about the nude rights we want to have if we protest and continue to fight in the courts and the court of public opinion we will prevail. Unfortunatly we will have a harder fight than befor and we have had this fight in the past it is sad to see us having to redo the hard work done more than 30 years ago.

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                      • #12
                        Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                        My thought is every other small splinter group. nationaloty, sect or whatever whines a bit and pretty soon they get special considerations so the government doesn't offend them or violate their rights. Well we have to do the same. We have to get ACLU and other blleding hearts to take up the cause for the poor people who don't want to always wear clothes.

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                        • #13
                          Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                          Please correct me if I am wrong. My understanding is that the court case concerned the process used by the parks and recreation department to enact a change in policy. The fact that the policy concerned nudity was almost incidental to the case. The policy could just as well have concerned walking dogs or drining alcoholic beverages on the beach.

                          The real test will come if the parks and recreation department attempts to prosecute people for merely being nude on a beach. Courts in San Francisco have ruled that a person cannot be prosecuted merely for being nude. This is the heart of the issue and this is where the legal fight needs to move next.

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                          • #14
                            Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                            Yea, they say they will not do a sweep of the beaches, but that does not include "random" visits. They already have the green light, so it's all down hill from here. Talk about nudity prohibition. If you want to be nude on a state beach (the legal ones), you literally have to hide, or keep out of sight when the officials are around. As you can imagine, all an official has to say is there was a complaint, even though there is lack of evidence. It's their word against yours. Welcome to Socialist Amerika!!!!!!!!

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                            • #15
                              Re: State cleared to clamp down on nude beaches

                              Ok AANR, TNS, INA, NAC and the nudists in California, PAY ATTENTION! WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW IS A PROPOSITION TO DESIGNATE LEGAL NUDE BEACHES IN CALIFORNIA. Get your lawyers on it now. We need a proposition on the ballot that designates certain parts of State Beaches as officially clothing optional. Come up with a list of beaches, get an add campaign going, get petitions signed, run more adds and lets get on the ballot and passed. Lets go lawyers and organizations...take the ball and run. The rest of us need to contribute money, and lots of it. I expect to see a special section on this site dedicated to this cause. I expect the rest of the organizations out there to do the same. Lets get going people!

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