Could the "War on Wokeness" impact nudists?

[Mosquito_Bait]

Could the "War on Wokeness" impact nudists?



At the link below is an article that speculates nudists could become a target in the war on wokeness being waged by current Florida governor and likely Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis. At present, the governor's main targets seem to be the Disney corporation and a small state liberal arts college.

I wish to make it clear that it isn't just Republicans who have been hostile to nude beaches. Democratic Massachusetts governor Michael Dukakis effectively ended nude use on a beach on Cape Cod by getting the National Park Service to agree to "concurrent jurisdiction" so that a local anti-nudity ordinance would be enforced on federal property, and Democratic California governor Jerry Brown appointed a state parks director who proved hostile to nude beaches.

https://www.planetnude.co/p/what-could-floridas-government-mean

[nudeyooper]

It is something that I wondered about for several months. If the governor wants to throw away the billions of dollars that Disney brings in, he'll likely throw nudist tourist dollars away too. That is unless they go directly into his campaign fund. It might be woke then, whatever woke means. It may even lessen or eliminate the tourism industry worker shortage.

[EltonJ]

Not all nude places will be affected, though. But you got to remember, nudism is thought of as strange to most Americans. Some (like me once upon a time), maybe most, think nudity always equals sex.

[Bob S.]

DeSantis' targets are those who speak out for the woke culture. Nude beaches are not corporations, they are just beaches that people attend. Disney simply lost their state-within-a-state allowances and now have to deal with the state like every other corporation or theme park.

[Mosquito_Bait]

DeSantis' targets are those who speak out for the woke culture. Nude beaches are not corporations, they are just beaches that people attend. Disney simply lost their state-within-a-state allowances and now have to deal with the state like every other corporation or theme park.

There is no definition for "woke culture". It is whatever someone like DeSantis says it is. Much of the culture war is about "owning the libs". Nude beach-goers skew lib. Perhaps DeSantis genuinely doesn't care about nude beaches, or perhaps nude beaches just aren't on his radar yet.

Regarding Disney, DeSantis didn't care about Disney's Reedy Creek Improvement District until Disney opposed DeSantis's "Don't Say Gay" bill. The dissolution of the district was in retribution for Disney's opposition to the bill. Now there is a tit-for-tat battle between Disney and the governor with Disney cancelling a billion dollars of investments in the Florida. Claims that Disney is woke are laughable given Disney's history of suppressing unions, paying low wages, and imposing demanding work rules. As Fox News found in the Dominion Voting Systems case, the governor has found that there is a difference between attacking liberal politicians, journalists, and university professors versus attacking a corporation that has the resources to fight back. This battle exposes two things.

1. The governor will abuse the powers of his office to pursue political vendettas.
2. The culture war will take precedence over good governance.

[boston_naturist]

IMHO - yes, Florida resorts and beach goers should be concerned about DeSantis' antics. If he's willing to throw one of the largest corporations in his state under the bus - AND - the biggest tourist draw, in a state that is dependent on tourism, yes, he likely has the gumption to do it to ANYONE.

And - the nudist community doesn't have the resources that Disney has to fight back. BUT - Disney has a target on its back, too. They own ABC (and ABC News).

[boston_naturist]

Let me add to the above - and some arguments presented and counter-arguments --

1) "Oh don't worry. AANR has their headquarters there, and a lobbying effort in Tallahassee. And it is so, so big."

Reality = WE (nudists) AREN'T THAT BIG OF A MARKET. Don't believe what AANR's telling you about their economic power. Sure, in Lutz/Land'o'Lakes, yeah, there's SOME economic influence. But if any other nudist facility were to go away or close shop, would it affect the economy greatly? Probably not.

2) "Nudism is family friendly".

Reality = yeah, sort of. Two of the biggest resorts in the state are DEFINITELY not family friendly - Caliente and Paradise Lakes. And what might attract DeSantis to attack us is the standard anti-nudist hit line = "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN? HUH?"

[nudeyooper]

DeSantis is already "protecting children" by banning books, controlling curricula, and limiting speech. He could not only go after nudists but require swimwear to cover from the neck to the ankle again. The skirt for women might be optional.

[Mosquito_Bait]

The word "woke" has become a label that conservatives apply to anything they don't like. Climate change is now considered woke. The term could easily be applied to nude beaches.

https://gizmodo.com/cruz-senators-challenge-nasa-on-woke-policies-dei-1850445479

[Mosquito_Bait]

This could be the first shot. Governor DeSantis has signed into law legislation that gives sheriff offices jurisdiction over county beaches. The legislation was lobbied for by the sheriff of Volusia County, which is the location of Apollo Beach, which has a segment that traditionally has been nudist.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-signs-legislation-gives-sheriff-013517381.html

[EltonJ]

Sounds like the good governor is Authoritarian.

[Bob S.]

How is this a war on the woke? DeSantis is by far one of the least authoritarian governors, no to mention the federal government and all of the alphabet organizations that make laws despite the rules Congress gave them.

[Mosquito_Bait]

^^ If you haven't already understood Ron DeSantis's mindset based on his ongoing feud with Disney, and his hijacking of the board of New College of Florida, perhaps the following anecdote help you begin to understand.

[Mosquito_Bait]

How is this a war on the woke? DeSantis is by far one of the least authoritarian governors, no to mention the federal government and all of the alphabet organizations that make laws despite the rules Congress gave them.

Within the universe of political ideas, the idea that Congress shouldn't have authority to delegate responsibilities to the federal bureaucracy is one of the most ludicrous. Taken to it's logical conclusion, the idea suggests that Congress should need to approve each individual federal hiring decision, each social security check, and every decision by federal law enforcement to prosecute. There actually would be no need for a federal bureaucracy since Congress would have to do all the work.

[nudeyooper]

Within the universe of political ideas, the idea that Congress shouldn't have authority to delegate responsibilities to the federal bureaucracy is one of the most ludicrous. Taken to it's logical conclusion, the idea suggests that Congress should need to approve each individual federal hiring decision, each social security check, and every decision by federal law enforcement to prosecute. There actually would be no need for a federal bureaucracy since Congress would have to do all the work.

Then if Congress had to do all of the work, very little if any work would get done. DeSantis wants to make the nation follow Florida and says that he is promoting freedom when enacting restrictive rules, laws, and regulations. How does restricting what can be read or taught or said promote freedom? Instead of banning the word gay, he should ban the word woke. That is unless it refers to sleeping. I believe that had I been foolish enough to live in Florida, I would be moving. We have a state senator in Michigan who is branding us as the anti-Florida. I love that idea. If we could get some nude beaches here, we would really have better beaches than Florida with fresh water and no sharks.