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**OZJames** · 11-23-2003, 07:07 PM

I have been reading the "posts" for some weeks now and have been dissapointed at the excessive amount of matcho comment. It seems that ALMOST ALL posts are by men. It seems to me that the INA forum is a mens club forum. Most display names are male and a quick scan of the members profiles with non gender specific display names does not reveal many/if any women.

Men love women, for every reason including their opinions. We need to encourage our women, not only enjoy nudity with us, but to air their minds on the INA Forum. It becomes somewhat boring reading mens comments and questions answered only by men, commonly about mens issues. We need subjects that interest women and comments by the "fairer/gentler sex themselves.

Lets start some healthy debate between the sexes. "Viva la difference" (scuse the spelling !)

**Guest** · 11-23-2003, 07:15 PM

You must be rather new to all this or you'd know a couple of things.

1. There are lots more men nudists than women nudists.
2.There are about twice as many men online as there are women.

These truths show up as lop-sided attendance figures on messageboards and nudist websites. Do you happen to have a solution?

Coming up with topics that are pro-women would help just a small bit because there just aren't enough women actually reading nudist websites(because of reasons 1 and 2).

**OZJames** · 11-23-2003, 07:42 PM

Yes I am new to this and of course I have noticed the imbalance. I also notice that there are a greater number of men at the clothes optional beaches that my wife and I go to. I have never been to a resort so I don't know how the numbers pan out at resorts. Last weeks cartoon perhaps answers that.

No, I do not have a solution but I could come up with a few sugestions but firstly I suggest that we try and list the reasons why women are not particpating and try and consider how to work around each reason:-

Perhaps ????
- too busy
- not so interested in nudity , why ?
- shy
- Forum subject matter not interesting
- feel overwhelmed by the dominance of male opinion
- Is nudity driven by men's sexual interest therefore men are the instigators of clothes free situations ? LETS HEAR FROM THE WOMEN WHO STARTED THE CLOTHES FREE ACTIVITIES WITH THEIR PARTNER. My wife started skinny dipping in our pool before I became a nudist.

Any more - its up to you lot - I am new at this

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**NakedGary** · 11-23-2003, 08:06 PM

Cyndiann,

I have not seen many topics that are "anti-women" on this fourm ever.

Stating twice as many men online is reason not enough women read nudist websites does not equate or make since to me.

There has always been more male nudist than female, and more males online than female

**Naturist Mark** · 11-23-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by NakedGary:
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I have not seen many topics that are "anti-women" on this fourm ever.
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I think Cyndiann said that more "pro-woman" topics might attract more women participants. That does not imply that all, or any, other existing topics are "anti-woman".

Another thing to keep in mind is that some of the "men" who post online are women. Unfortunately women may often attract too much 'personal' attention on the internet and find it a better situation all around to assume a male persona. Many other women read but do not post.

I used to be on AOL staff, one of the exercises many of us guys went through was to assume a female screen name while visiting chat rooms and boards. It was a very eye opening experience. My nieces are not allowed to use feminine screen names.

Not that I'm saying that the people on these boards act as poorly as some of the snerts from the old days on AOL. But I do know that a couple of young ladies who posted here no longer do (at least under their 'girl' screen names) because of what they felt was inappropriate personal interest.

So the over 90% male presence here may actually only be 80%. Maybe. In any case it isn't surprising that Online nudist sites seem so overwhelmingly male. Not much to do about it except make sure this site is female friendly and not obsess about online gender balance.

-Mark

**NakedGary** · 11-23-2003, 09:44 PM

OZJames, cyndiann, & Fourm

If your observations and statements about more men online & more men nudists equals reason why not enought women read nudist websites; Can I ask why more than a few so called Nudist web or nudist picture post sites show nothing but voluptuous females exclusively?

In being a nudist for +25 years, I have never seen whats shown on thoes sites as a true, factual, view or example of nudist resorts, clubs, beaches, or family nude recreation, that's why INA clothesfree.com is my preference in setting the true example in visual, vocal, debate, or fourm of what a true nudist or naturist envoirnment is. So be it, if there is more male or single male nudist at resorts, beachs, or online. Some of the reluctance by women has to do with unlike men, they wait to be asked or accompany others, or hold back, unlike men who just go out and do their thing.

NakedGary

**Sundance36** · 11-23-2003, 10:50 PM

Well have you ever noticed when a woman Joins a chat,
It's as the whole room gives them too much attention. I usually just say hi. And that is all because I feel sorry for them as they are like attacked. I can only Imagine what their P.M. messages are. Chat rooms and forems are not Pickup places.

**johny** · 11-23-2003, 11:24 PM

Women simply are grazing in another meadows, as w.nudist-resort.org/forum or subsections of w.network54.com/forum/ for example 163569 or 250399, 100523, 249555, 80980, 215158, 144857, 22320, 143567, 50121, 22852, 83405, 157869. While men mostly in 143108, 55323. And at h:/groups.Yahoo.com/ for example

bodyfreedom3
Christian-nudist
ClothesFreeChild
familynudistnetwor...
freeballing
freeballing4health...
youngadultnudists
etc.

**NakedGary** · 11-24-2003, 12:27 AM

johny

I take issue of posting non complete or non nudist links in the fourms on INA/clothesfree.com
The one with .org results in some German dating site, or with .com results in one of thoes non nudist porno sites which is not suitable in this fourm or web site.

Please refrain from refering or posting unsuitable, uncomplete, or links which direct ones to sex sites, or non genuine nudist sites in this fourm or on INA websites in the future.

NakedGary

**OZJames** · 11-24-2003, 03:38 PM

Comments seem to indicate that people are resigned to the fact that there are more men involved in this forum and that we (men and women) cannot do anything about it. I do not agree with that, I am sure something could be done.

Sundance36 has made a good point, if any women join in we should take that occasion to encourage them not attack.

Naked Gary says that the women "wait to be asked" - so lets ask them

I am sorry there has not been at least one response from a woman (at least that we know of) - we need to know what they think

JAMES

**NudeAl** · 11-24-2003, 05:48 PM

No women posting a reply???

Uh, I think I saw cyndiann post here a few times and uh, well you'd have to ask her but I'm pretty sure she's a girl?

Others have summed it up quiet well. Women have different interests than men, some of that being they would rather do other things than surf the net. Especially the nudist web sites. This seems to be something we are just programed for. Men love to read about and discuss nudism. We are really into it and would really like women to be into it as well. But they have other priorities. I am not sure what they are as I am still trying to understand my own wife.

Women seem to require a more personel form of communication. My own wife always wants to talk, go figure. My suggestion of just emailing each other had me sleeping on the couch for a week!!! By the way the phrase "We need to talk," actually means, I need to talk and you need to sit there and listen. Anyway, I think that women are so much better adapted to other signals i.e. body language, the tone of someones voice, eye movement, etc. That they just prefer a medium that better suits that. Also, lets face it, we can be rather boring always rehashing the same old stuff. It is very true that the few women who do show up here get overwhelmed with attention polite or otherwise. I know of many occaisions when a female or one posing as a female has posted here instantly getting the attention of every male on the board.

I would say we should just treat them the same way we would one of the guys but from all my experiences I know this is impossible. Perhaps we should just try treating them like we would want others to treat our mothers, wives, and daugthers. I feel we really can't do much more than that.

**Guest** · 11-24-2003, 06:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by OZJames:
[qb] Yes I am new to this and of course I have noticed the imbalance. I also notice that there are a greater number of men at the clothes optional beaches that my wife and I go to. I have never been to a resort so I don't know how the numbers pan out at resorts. Last weeks cartoon perhaps answers that. [/qb]

Actually it doesn't represent what you will find at a resort at all. Hopefully it doesn't happen like that at many beaches either but I've always noticed a lot higher male to female ratio at beaches than at the clubs. Just having a lopsided ratio does not mean the men act like that cartoon either. I spent 10 years going to Playalinda and had a few creeps approach me but never anything like what the cartoon shows.[qb]

quote:

No, I do not have a solution but I could come up with a few sugestions but firstly I suggest that we try and list the reasons why women are not particpating and try and consider how to work around each reason:-

Perhaps ????
- too busy
- not so interested in nudity , why ?
- shy
- Forum subject matter not interesting
- feel overwhelmed by the dominance of male opinion
- Is nudity driven by men's sexual interest therefore men are the instigators of clothes free situations ? LETS HEAR FROM THE WOMEN WHO STARTED THE CLOTHES FREE ACTIVITIES WITH THEIR PARTNER. My wife started skinny dipping in our pool before I became a nudist.

Any more - its up to you lot - I am new at this

- [/qb]

I didn't start it with a partner so does that mean I shouldn't post to this? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img] Seriously, the great majority of women get into nudism because a male partner presented it to them to begin with. My feeling is that perhaps women should pull other women into it for a change.

I do know some men that started out as beach gawkers and realized that things were better as nudists but I really feel that most got into by doing the research first and then looking for ways to enjoy this lifestyle and that there was no sexual interest to begin with.

**Guest** · 11-24-2003, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by naturistmark1:
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quote:
Originally posted by NakedGary:
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I have not seen many topics that are "anti-women" on this fourm ever.
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I think Cyndiann said that more "pro-woman" topics might attract more women participants. That does not imply that all, or any, other existing topics are "anti-woman".

[/qb]

Thanks Mark for making that point clear. I really don't see much that is anti-women on here but I do see aggressive posts that might make them decide not to get into some threads to begin with. I'm just as aggressive in most cases. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

**johny** · 11-25-2003, 02:53 AM

RE:
Gary: """"Please refrain from refering or posting links which direct ones to sex sites""""

Okay, but I am sure the most URL I gave are at least closely linked to different naturism ideology underbranches and actually noone is the sex site.

About w.nudist-resorts.org that is clearer as clear are not a sex site, and many of this forum users I have been met there too, or particularly, one woman I met here had been little time ago dismissed from their site. Even they pretend to be superior as this site what I had couple of times admonished them arent true. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Abour other sites, they heavely depend on the matter how eagerly work their moderators, and be sure that christian-nudist, family nudist etc sites are really good watched. However some of them (freeballers etc) time by time falls in the sin, however the general spirit is still quite innocent.

If You find really something was not good, okay, I collected those sites from my footnotes after searching some longer time ago, so there may happen few mistakes, because I didnt re-checked them right before posting. That is my fault, undoubtly, if any. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif[/img]

But IMHO it was pretty good explanation that exists a lot of places where are a lot of women. And therefore they are not coming here. For see, each forum needs to have a sort of "critical mass" to become interesting. If madames see here is no enough own gender partners to conversate, they become looking for the sites where are. And nudist-resorts have a lot of femmes. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

That is not the INA fault, nor Your fault, but simply such it is, somehow. And only we ourself can make by own is to make our environment HERE more attractive to ladies. I personally feel this is most attractive forum on the world. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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