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    If you HAD to make a choice, would you send your kids (if you had any) to a movie in which there is an explicit murder scene or one in which there is an explicit lovemaking scene?

    Gary

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    If you HAD to make a choice, would you send your kids (if you had any) to a movie in which there is an explicit murder scene or one in which there is an explicit lovemaking scene?

    Gary

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    • #3
      Gary

      I had much rather have kids see people making love than people killing each other.

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      • #4
        After posting this poll, I realized that this has got nothing to do with nude recreation. This topic arose because of a newspaper editorial suggesting that kids should be protected from seeing Janet Jackson's nude boob, but didn't mention protecting them from seeing the assault against her simulated by Justin Timberlake.

        Gary

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        • #5
          Well, I suppose it should be in the OFF TOPIC MISCELLANEOUS, but it is in MISCELLANEOUS. Maybe the Moderators will move it if it's a problem.

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          • #6
            This poll is rather interesting. I voted for lovemaking rather than murder, providing that the lovemaking scene is not vulgar. Explicit is one thing, but pure vulgar is another. As far as murders, you can watch that just about any night on the nightly news programs, without censors.

            Just the other day, the news programs showed mutilated corpses being drug through town. This is okay, but to watch someone being nude is, I guess, considered obscene. Go figure.

            Even on some crime shows, they even cover up the privates of nude victims that have been murdered, but it is okay to show the bullet-riddled bodies of gangsters, felons, etc. Where does the media draw the line?

            Interesting question. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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            • #7
              Excellent comments Mike. Where will the line be drawn is a gauntlet that must not only be thrown down by the Nude Organizations but thrown in the medias face.

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              • #8
                I wish we didn't have to choose. Sex on the visual media is frequently not portrayed in the context of a loving committed relationship. I don't want kids sitting around the television "babysitter" learning to divorce sex from love. Nor am I pleased that sexual situations are about the only way you'll see nudity apart from a National Geographic show about jungle tribesmen.

                And I hate gore! Alfred Hitchcock had more violence than I would want a child to see, but at least he kept it implicit rather than explicit.

                My answer: no to both sex and violence.

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                • #9
                  Unfortunately even some 9 year olds are old enough to get pregnant and should know what sex is by that age.

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                  • #10
                    I vote for love. I have long wished that someone would make a movie that shows lovemaking in its natural way. Not pornography which always just shows an unrealistic male and female going at it time after time, with some sort of stupid plot trying to bring it together.

                    Wouldn't it be nice if someone really portrayed sex as it really is. Imagine a story with a really good plot that involved two young people falling in love, and naturally expressing themselves through lovemaking which would be explicitly shown. Continue the storyline with the couple continuing to express their love and commitments in a very natural, exciting and beautiful way.

                    I certainly wouldn't mind my children seeing something like that. If it were just explicit lovemaking in a morally (in my opinion) inappropriate setting, I would continue to have reservations.

                    This should be in the nudist thread, because most of us (with some exceptions) prefer to be naked when making love.

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                    • #11
                      I don't see why we should have to put up with either of these in situations where kids can see them. As for murder, it can be extremely graphic - as in Clint Eastwood films, or rather tame, as in a Columbo programme. In the case of the latter I have no problem with my eight year old seeing it because she knows that it's just acting. Lovemaking, however, prompts questions that parents may not want to answer until their kids reach a certain age.

                      There are some things we should try to prevent children from seeing in films and on TV. Among these I would include graphic violence, drug taking, sex, executions, nudity and cruelty to animals.

                      Stu

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                      • #12
                        "Lovemaking, however, prompts questions that parents may not want to answer until their kids reach a certain age."

                        And that is why we have pregnant 9 year olds. Parents don't get a choice on what age they'd like their children to know the details. Because parents aren't telling their children what they need to know we now have sex education in our schools, thank goodness for that.

                        My parents always told me what I wanted to know about sex and I didn't ever know the fairytales some people tell their children. All you need do is make it age appropriate and tell them as much as they feel they need to know.

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                        • #13
                          "There are some things we should try to prevent children from seeing in films and on TV. Among these I would include graphic violence, drug taking, sex, executions, nudity and cruelty to animals."

                          Nudity isn't on my list. And they can see it here, without any warning in prime-time programs. Children's nudity in children's programs - not often, but yet.

                          Kari P

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                          • #14
                            "And that is why we have pregnant 9 year olds."

                            Cyndiann. I'm afraid you are out of touch with recent findings. Many experts dispute the assertion that early sex education, particularly at school, prevents early pregnancy and suggest that it may have the opposite effect.

                            One study published in the much respected British Medical Journal concludes:

                            "The results of our systematic review show that primary prevention strategies do not delay the initiation of sexual intercourse or improve use of birth control among young men and women. Meta-analyses showed no reduction in pregnancies among young women, but data from five studies, four of which evaluated abstinence programmes and one of which evaluated a school based sex EDUCATION programme, show that interventions may increase pregnancies in partners of male participants."

                            Teaching young children the facts of life is like giving them the recipe and ingredients to make a cake and then expecting them to "choose" not to. It's a ludicrous hypothesis.

                            Kari P

                            "And they can see it here, without any warning in prime-time programs. Children's nudity in children's programs - not often, but yet."

                            Yet another reason for me to avoid taking my famly to Finland.

                            Stu

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                            • #15
                              [QUOTE]Originally posted by stu2630:
                              [QB] "And that is why we have pregnant 9 year olds."

                              Cyndiann. I'm afraid you are out of touch with recent findings. Many experts dispute the assertion that early sex education, particularly at school, prevents early pregnancy and suggest that it may have the opposite effect.

                              One study published in the much respected British Medical Journal concludes:

                              "The results of our systematic review show that primary prevention strategies do not delay the initiation of sexual intercourse or improve use of birth control among young men and women. Meta-analyses showed no reduction in pregnancies among young women, but data from five studies, four of which evaluated abstinence programmes and one of which evaluated a school based sex EDUCATION programme, show that interventions may increase pregnancies in partners of male participants."
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                              BBC news story on BMJ study on Teen Pregnancy

                              BTW, if you read further in the article, it says:

                              "The authors, from McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontaria, Canada, say the review shows there is not yet a clear solution for reducing pregnancy rates.

                              Writing in the BMJ, they suggest sex education may need to begin when children are as young as five."


                              I also found this:

                              Sex Ed that Works

                              "Sex education that works starts early, before young people reach puberty, and before they have developed established patterns of behaviour11 12 13. The precise age at which information should be provided depends on the physical, emotional and intellectual development of the young people as well as their level of understanding. What is covered and also how, depends on who is providing the sex education, when they are providing it, and in what context, as well as what the individual young person wants to know about.

                              It is important not to delay providing information to young people but to begin when they are young. Providing basic information provides the foundation on which more complex knowledge is built up over time. This also means that sex education has to be sustained. For example, when they are very young, children can be informed about how people grow and change over time, and how babies become children and then adults, and this provides the basis on which they understand more detailed information about puberty provided in the pre-teenage years. They can also when they are young, be provided with information about viruses and germs that attack the body. This provides the basis for talking to them later about infections that can be caught through sexual contact.

                              Some people are concerned that providing information about sex and sexuality arouses curiosity and can lead to sexual experimentation. There is no evidence that this happens14 . It is important to remember that young people can store up information provided at any time, for a time when they need it later on.

                              Sometimes it can difficult for adults to know when to raise issues, but the important thing is to maintain an open relationship with children which provides them with opportunities to ask questions when they have them. Parents and carers can also be proactive and engage young people in discussions about sex, sexuality and relationships. Naturally, many parents and their children feel embarrassed about talking about some aspects of sex and sexuality. Viewing sex education as an on-going conversation about values, attitudes and issues as well as providing facts can be helpful. The best basis to proceed on is a sound relationship in which a young person feels able to ask a question or raise an issue if they feel they need to. It has been shown that in countries like The Netherlands, where many families regard it as an important responsibility to talk openly with children about sex and sexuality, this contributes to greater cultural openness about sex and sexuality and improved sexual health among young people15.

                              The role of many parents and carers as sex educators changes as young people get older and young people are provided with more opportunities to receive formal sex education through schools and community-settings. However, it doesn't get any less important. Because sex education in school tends to take place in blocks of time, it can't always address issues relevant to young people at a particular time, and parents can fulfill a particularly important role in providing information and opportunities to discuss things as they arise."


                              11Kirby, D., Short, L., Collins, J., Rugg, D., Kolbe, L., Howard M et al. (1994) School-based programmes to decrease sexual risk behaviours: a review of effectiveness, Public Health Report 109 pp.336-360

                              12Schaalma, R., Kok, G. and Peters, L. (1993) Determinants of consistent condom use by adolescents: the impact of experience of sexual intercourse, Health Education Research, Theory and Practice 8 pp.255-269

                              13Dickson, R., Fullerton, D., Eastwood, A., Sheldon, T., Sharp, F et al. (1997) Effective Health Care: Preventing and reducing the adverse effects of unintended teenage pregnancies, National Health Service Centre for Reviews and Dissemination University of York.

                              14Wellings, K., Wadsworth, J., Johnson, A.M., Field, J., Whitaker, L.B. (1995) Provision of sex education and early sexual experience: the relation examined, British Medical Journal 311 pp. 417-420

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