Can't be a naturist and into pornography

[Tenchi]

First off I realize this is a very delicate topic I am bringing up. But I still feel the need to bring it up. You are free to disagree, but I hope you allow me the privelage to share my beliefs.

I remember the classic bumper sticker which reads "You can't be Catholic, and Pro-Choice." As I was mowing the lawn this morning a thought popped into my head. How about a bumper sticker that reads "You can't be a naturist/nudist, and be into pornography." There are some naturists/nudists that believe pornography is okay, but this is wrong. Pornography goes against naturism/nudism is about. As naturists we believe the body is sacred and beautiful. We don't believe that the body is an erotic thing in and of itself. The basic philosophy behind naturism is to treat the body in a non-erotic manner.

When a naturist views pornography, he/she promotes the body being an erotic sinful creation. This goes against nudist values. As naturists/nudists we have the responsibility to stamp out pornography and show the body in a wholesome and decent light. How can one claim to be a naturist/nudist and support pornography? Naturism is about showing the inherent goodness and beauty of the human body in a pure light. Pornography on the other hands sole purpose is to exploit the human body and make slaves out of men and women. Pornography takes away all dignity that the human body holds.

Well those are my two dollars worth.

[Tenchi]

First off I realize this is a very delicate topic I am bringing up. But I still feel the need to bring it up. You are free to disagree, but I hope you allow me the privelage to share my beliefs.

I remember the classic bumper sticker which reads "You can't be Catholic, and Pro-Choice." As I was mowing the lawn this morning a thought popped into my head. How about a bumper sticker that reads "You can't be a naturist/nudist, and be into pornography." There are some naturists/nudists that believe pornography is okay, but this is wrong. Pornography goes against naturism/nudism is about. As naturists we believe the body is sacred and beautiful. We don't believe that the body is an erotic thing in and of itself. The basic philosophy behind naturism is to treat the body in a non-erotic manner.

When a naturist views pornography, he/she promotes the body being an erotic sinful creation. This goes against nudist values. As naturists/nudists we have the responsibility to stamp out pornography and show the body in a wholesome and decent light. How can one claim to be a naturist/nudist and support pornography? Naturism is about showing the inherent goodness and beauty of the human body in a pure light. Pornography on the other hands sole purpose is to exploit the human body and make slaves out of men and women. Pornography takes away all dignity that the human body holds.

Well those are my two dollars worth.

[hm0504]

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Tenchi wrote:

We don't believe that the body is an erotic thing in and of itself.

I would disagree with this statement. Frankly, I (a male) find the female form to be erotic -- nude or not. That said, that does NOT mean my sexual interests dominate my thoughts when I in the presence of females -- nude or not.

On the other hand, if one gender did not find the other gender sexually attractive, none of us would be here right now.

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Tenchi wrote:

Pornography on the other hands sole purpose is to exploit the human body and make slaves out of men and women. Pornography takes away all dignity that the human body holds.

If your definition of pornography is media that is solely intended to exploit the human body AND make slaves of people, then I would generally not be supportive of that either. However, I do not think that is an adequate definition of pornography. For the record, I think that pornography which degrades people or is solely orgasm-focused is unhealthy. However, if one includes depictions of sexuality where the participants are not being degraded or coerced and which has at least some context beyond only orgasm, then I'm not so concerned.

Anyway, thanks for bringing up an interesting topic.

[melissastarr]

I respectfully disagree with you, Tenchi. Nudists see nude bodies as people, not sexual objects. However, that does not mean that nudists are asexual or that they don't- in the right situation- see bodies as erotic. People are sexual creatures, both nudists and textiles.

Melissa

[namedun]

I disagree as well. Mellisa was right about us being sexual creatures, it's quite instinctive. I also think that when you approach something so sexual as pornography, morals and ideals kind of go out the window. For example, a man watching pornography probably isn't thinking about how he might be de-vauling and objectifying women. That being said, I must admit there is probably some degree to which pornography loses value to a nudist. Seeing pictures of naked people might not automatically trigger desire as much as it would for a non-nudist. Once images or situations relating to sex become involved ,however, I think any normal person (nudist or not) still is affected by pornography in its intended use.

[Guest]

Tenchi you are comparing two totally unrelated things as if they were opposites when they just aren't.

If nudists never got "erotic" feelings there would be no little nudists.

Porn is not nude pictures, even legal definitions separate the two. A lot of porn doesn't even contain nudity. And a lot of nudity is sexually oriented.... not a bad thing at all.

Never claim that anything is against nudist values because outside of nudism we are all as different as could be.

[David77]

I get so exasperated at nudist who try to deny that they have any erotic feeling in naturist situations. Get real! Quit trying to deceive youself!

It does not matter if you get erotic feelings in social situations at nudist resorts. What matters is your behavior when you get erotic feelings. You can not be blamed for your feelings - only for your actions are you ethically accountable.

I suspect that a person gets as much erotic feeling at a naturist resort as they do outside in a textile resort. But maybe they get more erotic feelings in a naturist resort because they feel more good, healthy relationships to the naturist people, and more companionability.
This makes for more erotic feelings, as erotic feelings are not all from sight and nudity, but from loving, friendly relationships.
Regardless of the feelings, one must be civilized and not act on impulse of erotic urges, but be an ethically responsible human being in the naturist resort.

[Tara]

Yeah I'm going to have to give Tenchi a big "PUH-LEAZE!!!" You've gone way overboard here.

I saw bumper stickers like that and I left the Catholic church, there's no way in hell a message like your's would make me leave nudism though - that's much more important

I'm going to have to advise you to get off your soap box on this one.

I won't disect what you wrote sentence by sentence, because frankly, it's a waste of time, but this one line:

"When a naturist views pornography, he/she promotes the body being an erotic sinful creation."

... shows that you think being erotic is a sin. There is nothing inherently sinful about being erotic or having sex, perhaps you need to examine why you connect the two.

[Tenchi]

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Originally posted by Tara:
Yeah I'm going to have to give Tenchi a big "PUH-LEAZE!!!" You've gone way overboard here.

I saw bumper stickers like that and I left the Catholic church, there's no way in hell a message like your's would make me leave nudism though - that's much more important

I'm going to have to advise you to get off your soap box on this one.

I won't disect what you wrote sentence by sentence, because frankly, it's a waste of time, but this one line:

"When a naturist views pornography, he/she promotes the body being an erotic sinful creation."

... shows that you think being erotic is a sin. There is nothing inherently sinful about being erotic or having sex, perhaps you need to examine why you connect the two.

I never said sex was a sin. I believe sex is perfectly acceptable after marriage. I won't force that viewpoint on anyone though. But I still believe in the importance of waiting until after marriage for sexual relations.

How have I gone way overboard Tara? Have I gone way overboard because you don't agree with me?

Besides there is also a difference between sex and pornography. Pornography is more selfish than anything else. It does treat people just like objects. Much damage has been done to families and individuals from pornography. I am stating that naturism/nudism is the complete opposite of pornography and erotica. True sex, or pure love comes when two people deeply love each other and are willing to sacrifice for each other. It's commitment. True love isn't selfish.

As for haveing erotic feelings David77, I myself don't have erotic feelings in nudist situations. That's the beautiful thing about nudism. It's the complete opposite of pornography. Nudism and art glorify the human body, whereas pornography (meaning material meant to sexual arouse), don't show us just as people, but as sex objects for mere gratification. Nudism encourages us to focus on peoples personality. Pornography encourages us to see people just as sex objects for self gratification. Porngraphy has helped damage the human body and sexuality.

I am thankful we have the nudist philosophy to give the beauty back that humanity deserves.

[Jennifer1]

i aint going to beat around the bush here so here i go, there is a difference from being naked and watching a sex act, im a long term nudist and i dont get aroused(to much) when im at a nudist place, but i watch porno sometimes when im taking care of my own business

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I never said sex was a sin. I believe sex is perfectly acceptable after marriage. I won't force that viewpoint on anyone though. But I still believe in the importance of waiting until after marriage for sexual relations.

ok so ive not had sex yet, but i've been brought up to believe and accept that sex is a major part of a long term relationship(a happy one atleast), how can you take the risk to not have sex and end up with a guy who has a little penis and has no concept of "returning the favour" when it comes to oral sex, why not have a few free samples before you make your final purchase.

[David77]

I purposely went to the Crazy Horse Saloon cabaret show two years ago in Paris France which bills itself as "celebrating the nude". It had 11 gorgeous, tall nude girls. The show was very sophisticated and erotic and lovely. They used different types and patterns of lighting to a great degree, as well as other erotic stage implemenations. This type show, which some would label "porno", was quite ethical, in my opinion. I have no regrets nor feel any need for excuses for attending and enjoying the show.

[Tara]

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Originally posted by Tenchi:
How have I gone way overboard Tara? Have I gone way overboard because you don't agree with me?

Yeah basically!! And because the two are so unrelated it's absolutely laughable!

[Meg]

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Originally posted by Tenchi:
Well those are my two dollars worth.

It#s not worth two dollars... maybe two Zimbabwe dollars though...

[slo]

Tenchi:
Within your opening two statements you inadvertly surfaced the purpose of your question to the forum. In most of the cases, I could substitue the word(s) I, or me in place of the words "We as nuditsts and naturlists". You must accept that most of us share one common fundamental value in that "we" subscribe and practice nudism. Pure and simple.

One of the respondents to your query, described the focus of pornography as being something other than nudity. I agree with this statement because nudity unto itself does not lead to deviant sexual acts or situations. It's the mind set ascribed to the scenario depicted in either the context, the photography or the intent of the producer.

SLO & I do watch x rated films every once in a while. Hence- sideways was a great flick.

[Tenchi]

Of course nudity and pornography are unrelated. But isn't the naturist philosphy about reedeeming the body? How can one be a part of a philosophy regarding reedeeming the body, when one is into pornography that degrades the body? Man cannot serve two masters.