Question

[nudeinfl]

Here's a question for comment. How tolerant should we be of others on this site? Are their some views here that we deem inappropriate? Is it our right to get rid of those we find "offensive"?

Just some things to get y'all thinking as we move towards Spring.

[nudeinfl]

Here's a question for comment. How tolerant should we be of others on this site? Are their some views here that we deem inappropriate? Is it our right to get rid of those we find "offensive"?

Just some things to get y'all thinking as we move towards Spring.

[Rik]

It might help if you give some examples of what you think might be "offensive".

Rik

[Guest]

I was wondering the same thing. Some nudists seem to like to engage in a dialogue whilst others see this board as an information exchange purely for nudists to talk to other nudists.

Some of those who want dialogue similarly want to exchange views with other nudists whilst others are keen to debate with interested textiles such as myself. In the latter case then you are going to encounter opinions you find disagreeable, although no genuine opinions nor the way they are expressed should be "offensive".

Stu

[shãybare]

Anyone that posts on the forum should realize what they say may be challenged by someone with a different point of view. I do not think they should be attacked for what they say. Someone may post, "It's a nice day." For someone to reply, "No it's not. Where do you come up with crap like that?" is, I feel, an example of an attack. To reply with something like, "I don't think it is a nice day at all because I have to work and the temperature feels cold to me." is simply opinions being expressed. No one should be made to feel inferior by sarcastic remarks and put downs.

I am an individual and, being such, I am free to
respond to any post and express my opinon. I also am free NOT to respond. That one is very difficult for some to grasp. To me it's like two little kids arguing, "No it's not. Yes it is. No it,s not. Yes it is." and on and on and on and on untill your ready to pull your hair, if you have any, out. There are issues discussed here that many take extremely serious. While others simply find them funny or even boring. We are all different. We all have opinions whether we express them or not. We all have a right to post as long as we abide by the rules set by the administration. We should IMHO respect others views whether we agree with them or not.

How tolerant should we be of others? We should be tolerant enough to allow others to express their opinion whether we agree with them or not. We should be tolerant enough to be able to exchange ideas without putting the other person down for their opinion. We should realize the other person probably feels as committed to his/her view as you do to yours. A debate is not an argument to be had with the other until the other changes their view to yours. They probably won't. Debates have rules. An argument, especially over religion and politics, is usually unwinable and leaves both sides angry.

Inappropriate Views? I think so but it is the Administrators who decide on that. So I think I will cluck, cluck, cluck past that one.

Is it our right to get rid of those we find offensive? No. Is it the job of the Administrators? Yes. Can and should we report to the Admins any posts we think inappropriate for a family forum? Yes.

[luvnaturism]

A forum in which everyone agrees is deadly dull, mostly not worth the time to read. The more diverse the spread of thoughtful comments the more interesting the forum becomes. Humor helps too.

Differing views can and should be expressed in ways that respect the people who hold those opposing ideas. When a person starts to make personal attacks on other contributors they are revealing important information about themselves to the rest of us: they don't deserve a response.

And what if someone begins to attack or degrade entire classes or categories of people (Down with Catholics! Down with Republicans! Down with Environmentalists! Down with gays!)? That is when I report the post to the Administrators, who have been responsive when their attention is called to a problem.

[NuTex]

I'm in the same boat as Rik. I want to know more what you define as "offensive".

I would call for the banning of someone who advocated racist views for example. Or if someone was abusive in language. But I guess that was an easy out on my part. For example, I wrote Corkey about Scud.

Gives us a little more to work with here Nudeinfl.
NuTex

[nudeinfl]

You bring up important points. What is offensive. We are seeing this argument in society at large with the recent actions of Clear Channel and the FCC. Is Howard Stern offensive? To many, yes. To others, no. So who is best suited to determine what is offensive?

Same with the forum here. I presume this forum was designed to give nudists a place to express their experineces, ideas, and lifestyle in general. However, like any organization with a primary focus, people with differing agenda drift in. Where do we draw the line?

Healthy debate of differing opinions is a good things. However, some people cannot tolerate opposing views. They get rude and abusive to other members. Is this acceptable? How about the individuals who entering into the sexual/porn area? How about lifestyles not partaken by the majority of us? Is the minority viewpoint as important as the majority?

I don't know if that clarifies anything but I am interested in others thoughts on this matter.

[Naturist Mark]

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Originally posted by nudeinfl:
[qb] You bring up important points. What is offensive. We are seeing this argument in society at large with the recent actions of Clear Channel and the FCC. Is Howard Stern offensive? To many, yes. To others, no. So who is best suited to determine what is offensive?[/qb]

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The deal with Howard Stern and Clear Channel has nothing to do with his being 'offensive'. Clear Channel's management and owners are big Bush supporters, as was Stern. They had no problem with his show or antics while they were on the same page. But last Monday and Wednesday Stern took a strong stance against Bush, the Republican party and the strong stench of fascism and intolerance in the air when it comes to free speech and gay rights, among other things. On Wednesday evening Clear Channel gave Stern the Dixie Chick treatment, and banned his show from their stations.

You might think the timing is just a coincidence, that Clear Channel really just suddenly got religion about low class broadcast programming... except they just hired Michael Savage, the guy MSNBC fired last year after he referred to a caller to his weekend cable TV show as a "sodomite" and that he should "get AIDS and die." So you see Clear Channel has nothing against low-class loud mouth bigots, so long as their politics remain correct.

-Mark

[Bob S.]

I think Shay said it best for me.

"Healthy debate of differing opinions is a good things. However, some people cannot tolerate opposing views. They get rude and abusive to other members. Is this acceptable? How about the individuals who entering into the sexual/porn area? How about lifestyles not partaken by the majority of us? Is the minority viewpoint as important as the majority?"

Great comments/questions, nudeinfl. Becoming rude and abusive is never a good thing and is never acceptable. Unsure as your quetsion regardingsexual/porn area.

We are partaking in a lifestyle that the majority do not follow. And among us, some of us partake in lifestyles that others do not agree with. Are both opinions of how to live (lifestyles) valid? Yes, so long as the lifesyle causes no harm to others.

"So who is best suited to determine what is offensive?"

Anyone can determine what is offensive. Here, it would be ultimately up to the mods.

Bob S.

[shãybare]

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Originally posted by Bob S.:
[qb] I think Shay said it best for me.

"Healthy debate of differing opinions is a good things. However, some people cannot tolerate opposing views.
"So who is best suited to determine what is offensive?"

Bob S. [/qb]

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Hey Bob S. while I agree with the above statement, I did not say it. It was contributed by nudeinfl.

[Bob S.]

Shay, I was referring to your whole message. I could have quoted your whole message but that would have made my message much longer. If you look, after I quoted the statement from nudeinfl, I specifically commented to him about it.

Again Shay, I agree with your first message on this topic!

Bob S.

[shãybare]

My mistake. I hope no one is keeping count. If so, this is "1".

[Rex]

I do a lot of "leg pulling" in my every-day life.
This comes through, at times, into my posts, and Stu is often the object of what he has been kind enough to call my "little joke", or "irony".
Thanks, Stu, I often disagree with you, to the point of being flabbergasted that anyone could hold such opinions, but I would never be deliberately unkind, in such a circumstance.
I know my leg-pulling has been taken seriously, on occasion, even in a face-to-face situation, so I realise I need to be careful.
I know my attitudes on religion, and some aspects of [to me] acceptable lifestyles, do not meet with universal approval, but I would never want to stop exchanging ideas with others on account of that, and I can't see that happening.
Finally, it upsets me when ANYONE says, "Right, that's it, I'm never posting here again".
Life's too short for that.