When is nudism wrong?

[nimrod]

Because of the recent controversy over Celebrities-Nude community Photo almbum, my question is when can being nude do more harm than good for the nudist/naturist "movement"(for lack of a better word)?
I know that Porn can hurt the cause because too many view being naked and having sex as one in the same. But does paparazzi, taking a picture of a nude celeb with the intent of "exposing" them as being naughty because they are naked, hurt us, or does it show others that people can be nude and enjoy the beach, or just being nude, without there being sex involved? Does intent over-shadow the nudist spirit that the celeb is showing?
Nude protest are to shock and bring attention to a cause, which is not the intent of nudist, but they are nude and not engaged in what would be considered inapporpiate behavior by nudist, some consider being nude inapporpiate.
I do not like to offend others, not that I think nudity is offensive but there are those that do, so I leave the curtains closed when I am nude in my own home. Does this hurt us because if I leave them open and people see me being a "normal" person who just happens to be nude might change the minds those who think nudity as not being for "normal" people?
What are your thoughts on this subject? When is nudism wrong?

[nimrod]

Because of the recent controversy over Celebrities-Nude community Photo almbum, my question is when can being nude do more harm than good for the nudist/naturist "movement"(for lack of a better word)?
I know that Porn can hurt the cause because too many view being naked and having sex as one in the same. But does paparazzi, taking a picture of a nude celeb with the intent of "exposing" them as being naughty because they are naked, hurt us, or does it show others that people can be nude and enjoy the beach, or just being nude, without there being sex involved? Does intent over-shadow the nudist spirit that the celeb is showing?
Nude protest are to shock and bring attention to a cause, which is not the intent of nudist, but they are nude and not engaged in what would be considered inapporpiate behavior by nudist, some consider being nude inapporpiate.
I do not like to offend others, not that I think nudity is offensive but there are those that do, so I leave the curtains closed when I am nude in my own home. Does this hurt us because if I leave them open and people see me being a "normal" person who just happens to be nude might change the minds those who think nudity as not being for "normal" people?
What are your thoughts on this subject? When is nudism wrong?

[Naturist Mark]

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When is nudism wrong?

When you needlessly hurt yourself and other people because of it. But really that has to do with dealing with prejudice, and when it is best to accomodate prejudice.

So when is anti-racism wrong?

-Mark

[LamontCranston]

Like most other things, if you think a situation is wrong, it likely is wrong.

When you see a woman nursing a baby, do you turn your head and move away out of respect for her privacy? Or do you stop and stare in order to save the mental picture?

When you see a family in a water park or beach parking lot changing clothes, does it remind you of a fun family outing when you were young? Or do you move around for a discreet peek?

When you see an old man in a hospital ward shuffling down the hall with the back of his gown open, do you wonder what will become of you? Or do you point it out to others and make a joke?

When you're at a resort watching a tennis match, do you stare at the woman and marvel at her movements? Or do you lay back on the grass, soaking the sun while listening to sneakers shuffling and the ball thwok back and forth?

There are two sides to each of these questions. So does the photo you're looking at (or taking, posting, passing around) feed your interest in one side or the other?

The answer is in there somewhere and only the individual knows where his or her heart is.

[NakedGary]

nimrod

Your topic title and subject matter seem to be mixed up.

I don’t think nudism is wrong anytime.

Do you mean are naked paparazzi shots of celebrities pulling their shorts up genital or nude shot stills from movie, sex, and bedroom movie scenes give nudism a wrong message if related.

Do you notice the without consent images are slowly disappearing from the nude celebrity community album?

The Brad Pitt images of him looking down or with his head sideways, and the Jude Law images of him looking down while putting his boxer shorts on are not naturist or naturist related and obviously not taken with consent, and are sneak paparazzi images.

I agree if you feel that paparazzi and hidden camera shot of anyone give one or the public a bad impression of nudism if they are related together, but I feel nudism is never wrong in it’s self unless used wrongly.

[nimrod]

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Originally posted by NakedGary:
nimrod

Your topic title and subject matter seem to be mixed up.

I dont think nudism is wrong anytime.

Do you mean when are naked paparazzi shots of celebrities pulling their shorts up or genital shots celebritys nude stills from movie, sex, and bedroom scenes give nudism a wrong message?

Do you notice the without concent images are slowly disappering from this community album?

The brad pitt images of him looing down or sideways, and the Jude Law images of him looking down while putting his boxer shorts on are not nudist, naturist, related, and obiously are taken without concent, and are sneak paparzzi images.

I agree if you feel that paparazzi and hidden camera shots of anyone give one or the public a bad impression of nudism if they are related together, but I feel nudism is never wrong in it's self unless used wrongly.

Thank you for your comments, but I posed more than one question. I know that nudism in itself is not wrong, but I know that it could be used wrong. Unfortunately we live in a society that sex sells and nudity equates to sex, to some.

[NakedGary]

nimrod

I think we are thinking the same thing but you are using "nudism" as in a naked image from a movie set. To me you do not use "nudism" to explain a naked or nude image of anything.

Someone practices "nudism" so your Title is confusing or considered wrong.

Webster's NewWorld Dictionary:

nudism - the practice or cult of going nude for hygienic reasons ---- nud'ist n., adj.

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[Fresh Air]

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When you needlessly hurt yourself and other people because of it. But really that has to do with dealing with prejudice, and when it is best to accomodate prejudice.

Naturist Mark,

I think you perfectly expressed my own view on it. I feel it is only wrong when the freedoms of another are abused or taken advantage of (whether they are nudists or not).

I would also add that I feel nudism is wrong - and possibly hurtful to nudists and nudism in general - when it is not true nudism, but rather a misrepresentation of it.

[nimrod]

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Originally posted by Naturist Mark:

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When is nudism wrong?

When you needlessly hurt yourself and other people because of it. But really that has to do with dealing with prejudice, and when it is best to accomodate prejudice.

So when is anti-racism wrong?

-Mark

Well I do not feel that it is best to accomodate prejudice, but I am also guilty of it. I have many prejudices, some learned, some self taught, some I have unlearned. I used to be one of those people who thought that all nudist would run around screwing anything that moved, but I have unlearned that. The point that I am trying to make is prejudice is over come by education. Now how do we educate people on nudism, without feeding into the prejudices against nudism. I think that is what my question is based on.
And on a side note, I believe that racism and prejudice are two different things, prejudice can lead to racism, and racism breeds prejudice, but you can have prejudices against a race without giving into the hate.

[Bob S.]

As for the subject title, nudism is never wrong. Nudism is a set of beliefs. It would be akin to asking "When is Christianity wrong?" It is not the beliefs but the actions of each person that defines what is right or wrong.

Using your examples nimrod, Papparazzi taking naked celebrity pictures are almost always intrusive and unwanted. If the celeb is on a nude-use beach, then the exposure can be helpful as it shows that nude beaches are fine. If any negative comes of it, it would be either toward the celebrity from the prude squad or toward the papparazzi for being there.

I am not a fan of nude protets, but unless the protests are a pro-nudist issue, which most of the time they aren't, then it generally has no bearing on nudism. The issue and group at hand is what is affected by the nudity.

Closing your drapes has more to do with respecting others. Keeping them open would do harm to you, and maybe nudism a little, if you used that as your excuse. And you will not change thre minds of someone who sees you naked through your window. If they are fine with it, they will not report you. If they are not fine with it, they will call the police.

What hurts nudism the most is when it is used as an excuse for illegal activities.

Bob S.

[NakedGary]

The bare to breakers and World nakded bike rides are examples of nude demonstrations, you don't here of much till the next years event.

CFI is there as it's coverage of a nude event or where there is social or public nudity.

These two events have some nudist participants but are not basic naturist or nudist events or considered the pratice of nudism.
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[Rabid_Clam]

Bob S brought up many great and valid points. Nudism is wrong where it is not wanted or illegal. Nudism is wrong in environments where it is not accepted or wanted.

If you are in an environment absent of the above then your chances of being nude and not in trouble are pretty good. There is a time and place for everything. Even the pope has to be nude at some point but that is a carefully chosen point. Nudists need to be the same way.

[Sanslines]

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Nudism is wrong where it is not wanted or illegal. Nudism is wrong in environments where it is not accepted or wanted.

We have to be a bit careful here. To some people, nudism is totally wrong and is not wanted or accepted anywhere. Should people who believe in nudism just abaondon it because others don't want it? There needs to be a way to accomodate both sides with areas for nudists to enjoy and other areas for textiles to enjoy. So far, most textiles want to dictate and enforce their no nudism under any circumstances beliefs on others everywhere and at all times.

[NakedGary]

Look up "Nudism" in the dictionary as stated in prior posts

Nudism is a practice

Textiles and non-nudists do not pratice "Nudism"

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[nimrod]

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Originally posted by Bob S.:
Closing your drapes has more to do with respecting others. Keeping them open would do harm to you, and maybe nudism a little, if you used that as your excuse. And you will not change thre minds of someone who sees you naked through your window. If they are fine with it, they will not report you. If they are not fine with it, they will call the police. Bob S.

I agree that closing the curtains is out of respect for others, but having them open is not an invitation to look into my house, and I am not pressing my genitals against the glass screaming, "Look at me!". Would I not have a case against them for peeping? How fine is the line between nudism and exhibitionism? When do I go from the average Joe who likes to be nude, to the pervert who is naked and flaunting it? For some there is not a difference between the two.