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    In 2005, Florida Republican Congressman Foley proposed a law against children's nudist camps. He was later exposed for having sent sexual emails and texts to former Congressional pages, male pages, which was discussed here on the forum. (To not miss an opportunity to say "I told you so", I criticized his hypocrisy while maintaining he hadn't broken the law, a conclusion later reached by the FBI. The press abused the weasel-words "underage" and "teenage": all those Foley made passes at were above the age of consent, and he was within the law.)

    In the current presidential campaign, Foley was seated on the platform at a Trump rally in August at Mar-a-Lago, where he said,

    “Yes,” Foley told Roberts. “He’s been a friend of mine for 30 years and [was] one of my biggest contributors.”

    That may tell us more about Foley than about Trump. However, in an article last Saturday in the Washington Post, Trump libeled Foley:
    Asked if there was any age limit in who he might go after, Trump said, “No, I have no age — I mean, I have age limit. I don’t want to be like Congressman Foley, with, you know, 12-year-olds.”

    Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Florida, resigned from the House that year following allegations that he had sent sexually explicit messages to teenage boys who had been congressional ­pages. This August, Foley sat behind Trump at a rally in Florida, in seats reserved by the Trump campaign staff.

    Foley of course was never accused of making passes at 12-year-olds. But if Trump will lie to attack those who support him, what are his limits against those who oppose him?

    While on the topic, the Speaker of the House who was criticized for not acting more quickly against Foley was Dennis Hastert, eventually jailed for violating banking laws to buy the silence of a victim he'd improperly touched when the lad was 14 years old and Hastert was a high-school wrestling coach. He wasn't prosecuted for the abuse, which may have been beyond the statute of limitations. I haven't bothered to check.

    The number of Congressmen breaking or skirting the law (if "skirt" is allowable in this context) is not the reason for posting here, but rather their tendency to pose as moralists, and attack convenient targets to "protect the children". Foley found nudist camps for children a convenient target. Would Trump be a similar danger for nudists?

    My own feeling is that Trump would pose such a large danger for everyone, everywhere, that his specific impact on nudists can be ignored. If he's elected, we'll all need to worry about saving our skins, not about the right to expose them.

    - Caipora


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    Whether Trump is elected or not, we are in for a big change. If he is elected (doubtful at this point), it could be game over for the little freedom we have left in this country. Once Hillary is most likely elected, we will instead have 4 years of continued deadlock, do nothing government hell bent to deny her anything, and constantly attempting to impeach her for her emails. More worryingly, there will be about 30% of the country (Trump followers) who will be disenfranchised, angry, convinced the system is rigged and the government is illegitimate and they will be fanned by Trump into a frenzy resulting in violence and hatred that will make life miserable for everyone else in the US and around the world. Many of these people are hypocritical phonies like Foley, Hastert, Gingrich and others who proclaim family values and push for laws restricting freedom while secretly being colossal scumbags in real life. Bring that down to the public level, and these people who were once restrained from beating up someone on the street for looking gay or different, or being a nudist, or being some other religion than Christian, will have permission to do just that. Permission given to them by the mass hysteria Trump will whip up with his hateful rhetoric.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Clinton fan. I think the whole ballot is absolute crap this year. None of these people should be our President. This is how far our country has fallen, how bad it is now that these clowns are our only choices to run our country. But, watching how this has all happened, what decent, good, well balanced person would ever want to put themselves and their families through the process of running for President?

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    • #3
      As you said, both candidates are disgusting vial people. I'll vote Johnson. Here in Maryland, my vote doesn't matter anyway. The democratic candidate always wins.

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      • #4
        I will vote for Johnson. But here in Illinois the City of Chicago can out vote the rest of the state. So more of the same.

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        • #5
          When the best parts of this presidential election process are the SNL skits, you know we are in trouble. it is not necessary to discuss the contentious rhetoric and theatrical banter here. I hope that people will vote for the candidate you believe has the experience and temperament to be commander in chief of this country and world leader. I know who I believe is the best candidate, therefore while others are watching endless hours of FOX, CNN and MSNBC, I am enjoying a backlog of movies saved on Netflix.

          Back to the issue regarding nudist camps for children. Clearly, nudism in any sense, is an easy target for those who pre-judge what the lifestyle is all about and may appear critical. At the very least, it can generate something as innocuous as a raised eyebrow but can also escalate to a series of unsubstantiated negative opinions. Some may not respond when we reveal our lifestyle choice, while others may judge us as exhibitionists, sexual deviates, swingers etc. I have heard it all. With regard to children, these opinions are judged even harsher. With all the discussion about predators and child porn, it is easy for the misinformed to pre-judge what might be going on with nudist children as a whole and, to even imagine a camp for nudist children, could make a textile cringe!

          I am sure there are some politicians that may be nudist-friendly, but my guess is that the sub-culture is too far removed from the norm and entirely unimportant in the grand scheme of things to even matter.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by garbo View Post
            Back to the issue regarding nudist camps for children. Clearly, nudism in any sense, is an easy target for those who pre-judge what the lifestyle is all about and may appear critical. At the very least, it can generate something as innocuous as a raised eyebrow but can also escalate to a series of unsubstantiated negative opinions. Some may not respond when we reveal our lifestyle choice, while others may judge us as exhibitionists, sexual deviates, swingers etc. I have heard it all. With regard to children, these opinions are judged even harsher. With all the discussion about predators and child porn, it is easy for the misinformed to pre-judge what might be going on with nudist children as a whole and, to even imagine a camp for nudist children, could make a textile cringe!

            I am sure there are some politicians that may be nudist-friendly, but my guess is that the sub-culture is too far removed from the norm and entirely unimportant in the grand scheme of things to even matter.
            Way back when, when the nudist summer camp for kids was publicized, some thought that - given the atmosphere of fears of endangering children - it was probably not a great idea to invite the New York Times in to do an article, regardless of how innocuous it was. It was, basically, a puff piece but it went out of control.

            AANR's response - far worse. To me, and this is only MY opinion, YMMV, etc., AANR exploited the situation and rode it for all the AANR publicity it could. There wasn't a single liveshot they didn't like.

            End result =

            1) They still lost. The camp was moved to another park, in another state, and that locale was not publicized.
            2) The kids' camp could not be held in Virginia. Ever again.
            3) We were held up to ridicule by Virginia politicians = even to the point of their holding what they thought was funny banter at the bill's signing into law.
            4) The NEXT year, AANR found itself embroiled in a worse situation = someone decided to carry the kids' camp ban further, and filed legislation to bar ALL under 18 from going to nudist parks in Virginia - a much scarier (and costly to battle) situation.

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