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    Does anyone know what the offical position of the Roman Catholic Church is on nudism?

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    Does anyone know what the offical position of the Roman Catholic Church is on nudism?

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    • #3
      I don't know anyone better qualified to answer questions about the Catholic Church and nudity than Jim Cunningham. His Web site is of interest to all people of good will, but has a lot of special interest to Catholic Christians. Click on the link to visit Naturist Life International

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      • #4
        since adam was god son and he is always around nudism is always accepted in the eyes of god because we all started in the nude and then decided to cover what god gave us.
        jesus is consider god's son but he was adam born as jesus because adam always exists and as long as adam exists nudity is not a shame in the eyes of god or religion only in people's eyes and thinking. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

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        • #5
          Rudy, what in the world did you just say? I couldn't make head nor tails out of that gibberish. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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          • #6
            Rudy has the right Idea, In Gensis God made man and woman, and they were both naked an no ashame, God saw all things he created GOOD. Adam was God first creation of man kind then Eve and they were naked and wer not ashame at all untill the Satan temped Eve to Do what God told do to do (God was protecting them from the things of want we know now) and then Adam. after that when the fall of man came they tryed to hide from God in which is imposible to hide anything from him. God allowed them to have a choce either tell him the truth or lie about who did what. And so we all know what happens next God kill his first animal to Cover for what they did so they could come out of hiding. Now that Jesus was from God but born as a human he became the second Adam when he died he told us Those who believes in him will become God new creation which is part of adams family plus God will bring us into his kingdom that has no human clothes but the heavenly clothes. So if people who follow Christ will be free from this world from their heart. Also holpfully the would who follow Christ someday will be shameless. Keep your eye On Jesus and u will be shamless. I hope I didn't make it to confussing. I thought I would put in on what I see in the bible, God Bles, Todd [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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            • #7
              ***0Adam was God first creation of man kind then Eve and they were naked and wer not ashame at all untill the Satan temped Eve to Do what God told them not to do*****

              *****So if people who follow Christ will be free from this world from their heart. Also hopefully the world who follow Christ someday will be shameless. Keep your eye On Jesus and u will be shamles****

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              • #8
                I think the feeling you get when you are naked alone outdoors in a scenic spot of Gods creation is the only proof you need of Gods acceptance of nakedness.I feel closer to God there than anywhere,even a church. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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                • #9
                  I've been a Christian since age 17, and I'm twice divorced. My first "wife" committed adultery over and over and told me to my face, "I will never change." I eventually divorced her after taking her back twice.

                  My second "wife" divorced me when she realized that I have faults, and I'm not perfect like she was. I am, of course, being facetious.

                  I was in two different churches after each of these divorces, and I was rejected by people in the church because of being divorced. There seems to be no worse sin for a Christian to commit, unless it is to run around nude at a nudist resort. I haven't gotten up the nerve to tell anyone there that I'm a nudist. In fact, I haven't been to my church in over a month. I'm not sure I'm going back. I still continue to worship and praise God on my own. I haven't stopped believing just beause I'm a nudist. It's not like I'm living in sin since nudity isn't a sin; it's the way God intended us to be.

                  David in the Old Testament committed adultery and murder, and God said he was a man after His own heart. Peter denied three times knowing Jesus and cursed while doing so, but God forgave him. However, as much as I hate to say it since I'm a Christian, Christians are not as forgiving as God.

                  I know that the minds of people are not pure and innocent as Adam's and Eve's were before the fall, but some of us are trying to get back to that place before the fall. We want to be able to enjoy being nude without lusting and having impure thoughts and desires when we look at one another. This is, of course, possible as many of us know. I may look, but it is to admire the beauty that God has created. His most beautiful of His creation, the human body, is looked at with scorn and discust by most people. It is said to be "indecent", "dirty". "Good" people don't show certain parts of their body because that's not "proper".

                  Unfortunately, it won't happen in my lifetime that the majority of mankind will accept the nude human body as clean and pure and beautiful the way God made it.

                  A man recently got "under God" removed from the pledge of allegience at his girl's school because he didn't want his little girl to have to hear those words since he claims to be an athiest. There are no athiests in foxholes or in hell. This country is turning it's back on God, and He may one day turn His back on us.

                  Whatever God calls pure and good, mankind calls evil. Whatever God calls evil, man calls good. Social nudity without lust and impurity is good and is possible. That's why mankind will not accept it as normal. Be nude and have fun. Nudity is the purist form in which to worship God. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    I find social nudity difficult.I havent been able to make the step from just visiting nude beaches and being naked alone in the wilderness to the other more social nude recreation forms of nudist clubs and naturist friends although I heartily approve of them.I believe my younger years as a Catholic with catechism classes on modesty etc keep me from taking that step.Other reasons are probably responsible also as I am comfortable bein nude at the beaches when there are others nude there. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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                    • #11
                      outdoorbare,
                      I plan on making that first step this weekend at Laguna Del Sol in Sac. Are you game? I noticed your also from central Ca. Maybe we can get together...send me a pm if you wish.

                      NUDE RICK [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

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                      • #12
                        Trail Scout, I took your advice, and looked into your contact suggestion. The reply was very helpful, and from what I gather, the church's position is this (in My words): The church does not disagree with nudity in and of it's self, but rather with the intent. If the intent is to excite or other wise be viewed as something lewd, then it is not acceptable. I guess the church, while not relly supportive of the nudist movement, does not disagree with it.

                        Here is the response, you may draw your own conclusions.

                        Dear Jim,
                        Peace!
                        Your question is largely why we publish Naturist LIFE International
                        magazine, and the best thing I can do is recommend subscribing. Our
                        Vermont
                        Unveiled #2 includes a prologue that is a Catholic apologetic for
                        naturism.
                        You can also find a good apologetic at our web site: http://www.naturistlife.com
                        Briefly, the perennial Catholic teaching is that modesty is a necessary
                        virtue that protects chastity. Thus, it is vice to willfully do, say,
                        speak
                        or think anything that puts chastity in jeopardy. More or less nudity
                        can
                        do this, as can more or less clothing. One might lick his lips to clean
                        the
                        ice cream off them, or to suggest something unchaste to a lady sitting
                        across the bar room. A stripper uses partial of total nudity to
                        sexually
                        "entertain" clientele. A bather or skinny-dipper uses nudity for
                        practical
                        reasons, just as clothes are often worn for practical reasons. A hammer
                        can
                        be used to construct or destruct. We know in our consciences what our
                        motives are. St. Thomas Aquinas taught that for something to be
                        immodest,
                        the motive has to be to lure unto unchastity. A woman might wear a sexy
                        halter top to turn the guys on. Another woman might garden top-free
                        because
                        she is hot and wearing less makes sense. She might not cover up when
                        the
                        UPS man walks into the back yard to have her sign for a parcel, not to
                        turn
                        him on, but to witness to the integral purity and goodness of the body.
                        Such were Michelangelo's motives, and his nudes still cover many
                        Vatican
                        buildings. Pope JP2 explained early in his pontificate that pornography
                        was
                        immoral because it was a distortion of truth, over-emphasizing the
                        erotic.
                        None of Michelangelo's nude art does this, hence JP2 dubbed his
                        restored
                        Sistine Chapel the shrine of the theology of the body.
                        None of the images we publish emphasize the erotic. Like
                        Michelangelo's,
                        they present the body as an integral whole, as holy, as the image of
                        God.
                        Chastity which denigrates the body is no more virtuous than the orgies
                        of
                        Bacchus.
                        I recommend your acquiring our Vermont Unveiled #2 ($20 ppd) for its
                        prologue as well as the volumes it proclaims on the theology of the
                        body by
                        its excellent photography. I also recommend "Our Wonderful Bodies!"
                        ($12
                        ppd) for similar reasons, as well as its crystal clear article on
                        morality
                        at the end. Many are confused by feelings of sexual arousal when
                        confronting the body, and are troubled in conscience. This article
                        provides
                        clear, Catholic moral principles to know whether any thought, word or
                        deed
                        is sinful or not.
                        There is also a 1-hour PBS TV video we sell ($17 ppd) of a debate
                        between
                        me and Fr. Benedict Ashley, O.P., a renowned ethicist now at the JP2
                        Cultural Arts Ctr in DC. On my team were a Trappist monk-priest &
                        Bavarian
                        Catholic lay-woman. In his opening statement, Fr. Benedict confesses
                        that
                        he knows of no official Church teaching on nudism.
                        Pius IX would have disapproved. He also taught the opposite of
                        religious
                        freedom, stating that the State should outlaw all churches but Catholic
                        churches. Vatican II readjusted many things. One of the popes Pius
                        taught
                        that believing that definitions of modesty were culturally relative
                        were
                        the epitome of sophistry. Yet JP2 in his "Love & Responsibility" taught
                        the
                        opposite: that it was relative to many things, including climate,
                        culture
                        and personal sensitivity. He said that even total nakedness was not
                        immodest unless its aim was to arouse concupiscence, which is a lie,
                        because it turns "persons" into "things."
                        All this kind of thing is an on-going discussion in NLI. You really
                        should
                        subscribe. The recent issue (#27) includes quotations from St. Clement
                        of
                        Alexandria advocating nude wrestling as the ideal Christian sport for
                        men,
                        and St. Nilos of Sinai(?) advocating spiritual nakedness like the
                        physical
                        nakedness of wrestlers & athletes. My degree is in the Fathers of the
                        Church, yet I cannot recall any Father saying anything negative about
                        athletic nudity, including St. Paul himself in Corinthians & Hebrews
                        12f.
                        There he says that just as athletes strip away every last encumbrance
                        in
                        order to gain fleetness, so should we strip off every vestige of evil.
                        Furthermore, nudity was an essential part of the ordinary rite of
                        baptism
                        in both East & West for about 1,000 years. As Vatican II urged a return
                        to
                        patristic faith, so Pope Paul VI ordered that all baptisms ordinarily
                        be
                        done by full immersion as in the patristic age, and allowed the
                        trickling
                        mitigation only in cases of emergency. Just as few listened to him on
                        contraception, and no one listened to him when, in "Jubilate Deo," he
                        ordered all bishops to insure that every Catholic knows at least "a
                        minimum
                        repertoire of Gregorian plainchant," so no one paid any attention to
                        what
                        he ordered about baptism by immersion.
                        Perhaps the problem is pragmatics. Immersing with clothes on is neither
                        practical nor patristic. But since Catholics hate their bodies and
                        resent
                        God for burdening them with them, so they are not ready to handle
                        immersion. Pastors know their flocks, so ignore the pope. Instead, they
                        should do what it takes to implement his teaching. If the problem is a
                        warped notion of the body--a notion taught by Larry Flynt & Howard
                        Stearns,
                        and not by the Church, then they would need to advocate NLI-type
                        naturism
                        as a means to effecting obedience to the pope. Several priests have. 5
                        priests plus 1 deacon concelebrated Mass at our 1996 REUNION. As there
                        is
                        no rubric defining "proper" church attire, since it varies from culture
                        to
                        culture, and since in our sub-culture, nothing could qualify as "Sunday
                        Best" more than God's handiwork--our bodies, many or most of the laity
                        only
                        put on the Lord Jesus for Mass. Why should this be any more shocking
                        than
                        dozens of naked men, women & children being baptized at Easter Vigil in
                        the
                        patristic church?
                        NLI naturism is a very useful means to helping Catholics put on the
                        Mind of
                        Christ when it comes to body attitudes. Who knows? Maybe it might even
                        lead
                        to Catholics actually looking forward in joyful hope for the
                        resurrection
                        of their flesh, rather than simply wanting to be rid of the body and go
                        to
                        heaven as a body-less soul. It is amazing how, despite the tenet in the
                        Nicene & Apostles' Creeds, Catholics are entirely ignorant of the
                        resurrection of the flesh, and couldn't care less about it, despite
                        what
                        St. Paul taught in I Corinthians 15. This heterodoxy is the result of a
                        false modesty and false chastity which taught, in effect, that all
                        things
                        corporeal were evil, especially sex. JP2 is trying to straighten out
                        this
                        perversion, as is NLI, each in our own, proper ways.
                        I hope to hear from you again. We offer a free info packet, or a sample
                        magazine for $5, a subscription for $25, or the above listed
                        publications/video.
                        Worship the Lord in His holy temple (your flesh!)!

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                        • #13
                          Interesing reading...Thanks...I believe that as long as I am not breaking the law,my being nude and my intent are. between me and God.I left the Catholic Church in my early 30s for many reasons mainly their birth control stand, but also for feeling hypocritical for confessing masturbation ,being told it was a mortal sin and promising to never do it again. Whoops I did it again.

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                          • #14
                            Outdoorbare, I know what you mean about the Catholic Church and feeling hypocritical. I too stopped partisipating in the church for many years. Eventually, while I was learning how to be a recovering alcoholic, I turned back to the church as it was the only one I had ever known. In the process, I came to accept that the church is made up of and run by men, and in that, the church is flawed. I have reached a personal relationship with my God, and while I follow the Catholic Church, I do not follow it blindly. I know, I'm a hypocrit. You may then ask why do I even care what the church's position is on nudism. I'm not sure I can answer that. I guess I wanted to know if the church and I were of the same position on nudity, not that their position would change mine, but, just to know.
                            I hope that makes sence. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

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                            • #15
                              2001...It is very hard to leave the Catholic Church. AS I remember not going to Church on Sunday was a mortal sin and The Church was the only way to salvation and eternal life.I have since joined the Presbyterian Church and have resolved myself to the fact that My acceptance of Jesus as my Savior is the most important part of my being on Earth . No human can be perfect and we can only do the best we know how . Thanks for the reply.

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