First of the Ten Commandments

[David77]

The first commandments says "Thou shall not have any other gods BEFORE me.
Back then there were other gods, but the commandment clearly implies that any other gods would have to be held as secondary gods.

I think that many who have declared in the "Different Religions" thread that they believe in the ten commandments, don't realize the meaning of the first commandment.

Incidentally, Zeus was the chief god in Greek mythology and Jupiter was the chief presiding god in Roman mythology.

[David77]

The first commandments says "Thou shall not have any other gods BEFORE me.
Back then there were other gods, but the commandment clearly implies that any other gods would have to be held as secondary gods.

I think that many who have declared in the "Different Religions" thread that they believe in the ten commandments, don't realize the meaning of the first commandment.

Incidentally, Zeus was the chief god in Greek mythology and Jupiter was the chief presiding god in Roman mythology.

[Naturist Mark]

Early Judaism was not monotheistic.

Also ... That is not necessarily the first commandment. In Judaism the First Commandment is "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt", most Christians just consider this to be an introduction.

By some counts the familiar ten commandments are really comprised of 29 commandments, various traditions divide them into 10 catagories, but not the same ones.

For example the Tenth Commandment for Jews and most Protestants is the entire "thou shalt not covet" passage. But Catholics and Lutherans list two "thou shalt not covet" commandments: one against coveting your neighbor's wife and one against coveting your neighbor's property. I suppose we could make some inferences about which denominations traditionally considered wives to be part of a man's property and which did not.

Following is a side by side chart with 3 versions of the Ten (or so) Commandments. Column 1 is the predominent Protestant version, 2 is the Catholic version and 3 is the Jewish version:

[Naturist Mark]

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.

1. I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is
in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

2. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve
them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; And showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in
vain.

3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in
vain.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor
thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath
day, and hallowed it.

4. Honor thy Father and thy Mother.

4. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the Sabbath in
honour of the Lord thy God; on it thou shalt not do any work, neither thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day,
and hallowed it.

5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

5. Thou shalt not kill.

5. Honour thy father and thy mother; in order that thydays may be prolonged upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

6. Thou shalt not kill.

6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

6. Thou shalt not kill.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

7. Thou shalt not steal.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant,
nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


-Mark

[Naturist Mark]

(my apologies for the weirdness the preceeding post causes on the page - I had to copy some html to produce the side by side columns, but it does some weird stuff on the 'groupee' page)

-Mark

[Naturist Mark]

And then there is the 2nd version of the 10 commandments that God gave Moses after he smashed the first tablets in a snit. Oddly these 10 commandments (Exodus 34) don't match the original, yet these are the official commandments stored in the Ark of the Covenant (which according to G. Lucas is now stored away in a US military warehouse)

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god)

2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.

4. All the first-born are mine.

5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.

9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.

-Mark

[usmc1]

Props to Mark for a damn interesting post backed up with fact and hard work. Now one wonders wheher or not Mithra didn't "ordain" some "commandments".

[Fresh Air]

'archer
1) another, other, following

a) following, further

b) other, different

'elohiym
1) (plural)

a) rulers, judges

b) divine ones

c) angels

d) gods

2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)

a) god, goddess

b) godlike one

c) works or special possessions of God

d) the (true) God

e) God

paniym
1) face

a) face, faces

b) presence, person

c) face (of seraphim or cherubim)

d) face (of animals)

e) face, surface (of ground)

f) as adv of loc/temp

1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before

g) with prep

1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

[Fresh Air]

We are hypocrites if we say we don't have any gods today. We just have a more reserved faith in our modern gods. We call them money, entertainment, celebrities, sex, drugs, self, etc.

[nudeM]

I just saw a movie the other night and there was a phrase that I thought was kinda interesting. The gentleman said, "Religion divides individuals but having the faith binds us together."

[tinner666]

Well, I guess I'm good for the 7 commandments at least. 4 through 10 are enough to live by.
In law, not religion, each state seem to introduce over 1,000 'new' laws EVERY year into our legislatures. That makes as much sense as having 1,000 interpertations of the bible.
I'll settle for the 7 until a better 'system' arrives.

[Rabid_Clam]

The bible we have today is subtly different than the words as originally written. This come from the man translations thru the eons of languages old and new.

One has to contemplate Noah and the 40 days and nights of rain, Paul wandering in the desert for 40 years, the Jews leaving Egypt for the promised land traveling for 40 years, and the clincher is Ali Baba and his 40 thieves. Ahem. That word, 40, has been mis intreperted from the original word of MANY. Where man did not live much more than 40 years if that long at all puts this 40 year thing at deep question.

So on that goes. The comandment "Thou shall not kill" is another, was a misintrepertation from the original that said "Thou shell not murder". The bible is full of killing or enemies and not one person was sent to hell for killing, but was encouraged to do so by the Almighty.

The bible today is full of bad translations and also many books were authored by the very same person but credit is given to another.

The bible is a good book, full of great ideas and guidance, but it was written by man and men unknown. The meaning of many parts has been altered by bad translations and other ideas being interjected in plajorised form.

So over all tounge in cheek needs to be taken in many parts but only the main stream flow is to be considered, not the literal word for word.

[tinner666]

You got that right Rabid. I should have said murder. I've never minded shooting to kill in self-defense.

[Rabid_Clam]

I could go off and really type for days on all this, but let it settle with this: Are we the only life in this entire universe that he is mindful of? I think not! And we need to expand our thoughts on the vastness of distances out there, the incredible numbers of other galaxies and trillions of stars, and planets about them. It takes more than a million years for a radio signal to get from one side of our galizy to the other side, but our galaxy is but one of billions out there, And what is to say that ours is the only universe out there in the void? But we can expand on multiple voids, and other dimensions we cannot detect where other things occupy the same space as others. On and on it goes. We have no answer. The only ones we have is what another man offers and just what in hell would even the most educated man be able to offer but an opinion based on what he does not know, can't see, can't prove, or just can't !

Life goes on, the answers will come.

[missouriboy]

quote:

I should have said murder. I've never minded shooting to kill in self-defense.

OR capital punishment for heinous crimes.