Is it a sin to masterbate?

[Jerry C.]

Hi everyone!

I've not posted in a while, but I was talking to a "Christian" (very nominal-worldly) friend and he asked me point blank if I masturbated. Of course I said yes (95% of guys do).

I then further stated that as a single Christian waiting for that special Christian woman, I believe that masturbation is the "least of all the sexual evils."

His question and accusation was that in order to masturbate, I had to fantasize about having sex with a woman, etc. Well, yes that's true I said.
He quoted Matthew 5:28, which says (with verse 27):

27. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

He stated that because I'm imaging having sex with a woman that I'm violating the above verse and that makes me a hypocrite.

He stated further that masturbating is being selfish and that when he feels the urge, he gets a woman to have sex so he can "share it with someone else." He therefore considers himself consistant and me not.

What do ya'll think about this?

[Bob S.]

I'm not a Christian and have never understood the whole "sin" thing seeing as how according to the Christian belief system, we are all sinners.

But as for the verse concerning adultery, how can adultery have been committed if both involved are single and not in any relationships?

And since when does your right hand qualify as a woman? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

But seriously, if you do not consider it a sin, then who is your friend to say that you are wrong? Surely he is not suggesting that he is G*d. And I would love to know how the conversation got turned into a question of masturbation or did he just ask out of the blue, causing you to nearly choke on your chips. If he asks you again, just tell him it is none of his dam business.

Bob S.

[greensunshine]

I second your answer Bart...I too believe there are some things one does not ask anyone including their spouses or significant others...and some things are best left to the individual.

And Guys while we are on the subject of questions we shouldn't ask...include the following one when communicating with us females on your list:

"Have you ever been raped?"

Even if the female has, it is none of your flippen business unless she volunteers the information and the if she does..."Do not probe her for details!!!" [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] Rape is a very private issue that is best left to the individual/victum and those they elect to share the information with....Grrrr

!!!!!!!!!!Both questions more likely than not, are none of anyone's business!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greensunshine in the Pacific Northwest [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[nudeM]

To all concerned parties involved in this discussion, not only is it none of anyones business, as far as private happenings going on behind closed doors, or being a victim of a past crime, I really don't think this the right place to post these subjects. This is a nudist site, not a psychology forum. I don't see the relationship about the previous situations pertain anything towards naturism. Am I wrong? I think these should be deleted by the administrators, due to the fact, there is nothing relating to the nudist lifestyle. Thanks

[Trailscout]

Jerry,

The Bible is silent about masturbation. It seems a given that we will do it as normal healthy adults. The sexual energy behind it is God-given and is not sinful.

Yes, it is possible to masturbate in conjunction with adulterous thoughts, but it would be a mistake to assume that they always go together.

In the same manner, nudity is not always for the purposes of sex.

Masturbation is a relief for sexual tension. I do believe that Christians are accountible for their thought life, and one should not dwell on adulterous thoughts in the process of masturbation. I do believe that it is good for a single person to celebrate his or her sexual energy and enjoy (in private) the sensations that sexual arousal brings.

Excessive masturbation, like anything done to excess can be symptomatic of unmet needs in one's life. Masturbation is no substitute for friendships and romance with the opposite sex.

Relieving one's sexual tension through masturbation should not deny a wife or husband of the sexual intimacy they need. In a healthy marriage, your sexual energy is not yours to keep to yourself, but becomes the joint possession of a couple.

[RalphVa]

I agree. The Bible is silent about masturbation.

It is also silent about early Christians being baptised nude (Early Christian era writers tell us about it).

Also silent about nude olympics at the time of Christ.

Also silent about public nude baths.

I conclude that none of these were condemned by the NT writers.

If you ever see a Baptist who is adamant about not going nude, just comment to him that "I guess the early Christians weren't Baptists since they were baptised nude."

Ralph

[Guest]

Of course it is a sin to masturbate . You will die a horribe long and painful death even if you think about it. the evidence is clear. The Victorians knew what they were talking about and thank God we still carry the legacy they left us.
You should always listen to what other people tell even if you think what they are saying may be stupid and you should interprete the endlessly re-written words of a medieval political book in which ever way suits your purpose.
It is your duty.

For those unfamiliar with it , this post is loaded with irony and some spelling mistakes. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

[Guest]

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Originally posted by bertiepotato:
[qb]Of course it is a sin to masturbate . You will die a horribe long and painful death even if you think about it. the evidence is clear. The Victorians knew what they were talking about and thank God we still carry the legacy they left us.
You should always listen to what other people tell even if you think what they are saying may be stupid and you should interprete the endlessly re-written words of a medieval political book in which ever way suits your purpose.
It is your duty.

For those unfamiliar with it , this post is loaded with irony and some spelling mistakes. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [/qb]

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Thanks for the levity Bertie.... I think people need to be reminded that anything taken from that book is an interpretation which makes it an opinion. It is not fact. It was written in a time when the world was a very different place and most of the knowledge we have now just wasn't available.

The facts are that modern medical journals tell us that masturbation is not only normal but necessary to keep the body healthy. People who don't take care of it are more likely to release in their sleep which is a way for the body to take over when the mind is taught wrong.

I do agree that this whole thread has nothing to do with nudism or even nudity and I wonder why it is even here.

[NoodieP]

If its a sin then I'm going straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

I agree that this is not a nudist topic per se, more of a general population one. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[Guest]

I believe--just an opinion--that there is only sin involved if there are sexual fantasies involved. It's quite possible to masturbate without the fantasies, but it's not nearly as much fun.

I waited until others replied to this since I agree that it has nothing to do with nudism. What I would like to know is: Why does God give us sexual desires and then tell us that it's a sin to enjoy them unless we're married? What could possibly be wrong with a person satisfying their God-given sexual urges manually if they are convicted against having sex with someone to whom they're not married?

Your friend says that masturbation is a sin but his "getting a woman" ISN'T? God's word says that that "getting a woman" for sex is and says nothing against masturbation?

Adultery involves at least one married person. When it's two single people involved, it's called fornication. Two words that mean basically the same thing depending on the marital status of the individuals.

If your friend is unmarried and "gets a woman" to satisfy his urges, he is, according to the Bible, committing fornication. Of course, as we all know, the commandments in the Bible mean nothing whatsover to those who don't believe them to be the Word of God or don't believe in God. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Guest]

At the time the bible was written women were considered personal property of men just like cattle and slaves were. A married man was legally allowed to sleep around and have mistresses while women were not. Therefore if you follow the bible and are male you cannot commit adultery unless the woman is married or engaged to another man. A man could have sex with an unmarried slave for instance and that was allowed.

An adulterer was a man who had illicit intercourse with a
married or a betrothed woman, and such a woman was an adulteress. Intercourse
between a married man and an unmarried woman was fornication. Adultery was
regarded as a great social wrong, as well as a great sin. The Mosaic law (Num.
5:11-31) prescribed that the suspected wife should be tried by the ordeal of
the "water of jealousy." There is, however, no recorded instance of the
application of this law. In subsequent times the Rabbis made various
regulations with the view of discovering the guilty party, and of bringing
about a divorce. It has been inferred from John 8:1-11 that this sin became
very common during the age preceding the destruction of Jerusalem. Idolatry,
covetousness, and apostasy are spoken of as adultery spiritually (Jer. 3:6, 8,
9; Ezek. 16:32; Hos. 1:2:3; Rev. 2:22). An apostate church is an adulteress
(Isa. 1:21; Ezek. 23:4, 7, 37), and the Jews are styled "an adulterous
generation" (Matt. 12:39). (Comp. Rev. 12.)

Alsso in the bible is the story of a man who was told by god to sleep with his brother's wife after the brother died. He started to and instead allowed his "seed" to spill upon the ground. This was supposedly a big no-no and is behind some of the reasoning why it is supposed to be wrong to masturbate. What isn't told is that the guy knew that if he had a child with that woman that the child would inherit what was his brother's. By not getting her pregnant he got to keep the dead brother's possessions.

[Guest]

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Of course, as we all know, the commandments in the Bible mean nothing whatsover to those who don't believe them to be the Word of God or don't believe in God. [/qb]

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Also the bible itself means nothing to many who believe in God.

[David77]

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Originally posted by cyndiann:
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Of course, as we all know, the commandments in the Bible mean nothing whatsover to those who don't believe them to be the Word of God or don't believe in God. [/qb]

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Also the bible itself means nothing to many who believe in God.[/qb]

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Also, many who do not believe in God nor believe that the Ten Commandments are the Word of God, have a good moral or ethical system, without the need of "ten commandments". Examples of this are the "billion" persons living in China and those of the Buddist faith, non-religionist, etc.

[Guest]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NoodieP:
[QB]If its a sin then I'm going straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Hey, you can get $200 dollars ?!?

I should be a millionaire !

[Guest]

cyndiann,

The man's name in the Bible was Onan. He didn't inherit anything because God killed him for his disobedience. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]