Social Nudity vs. Pornography

[Elton]

Being a Nudist actually frees you in more ways than one. Pornography is a problem in this country, and it was a problem for me before I embraced good nudity.

Pornography preys on the natural need to see human beings naked. However, in portraying nudes in suggestive ways Pornography destroys rather than builds. Social nudity, however, does the opposite. Since I have been able to look at this site regularly, I have noticed that every Photo of the Day does not present the nude human body as an object of desire. Instead, each photo on this page presents nude bodies as they really are. As a glorious creation.

People who are viewing pornography need to experience social nudity. As somebody views pornography, they are constructing their own prison out of a fantasy where women are submissive objects for sex. Social nudity, however, can free one from this prison of smut with the reality that every body is good and decent.

I used to think that there was only one way to break free of Pornography and that is to ignore it altogether and embrace the Gospel and the Atonement of Christ. Now I know their is two ways: practicing social nudity and embracing the Atonement. And since my Christian beliefs do not exclude Nudity at all, I can have the benefits of both.

The Prophet asks us Mormons to avoid Pornography like the plague. However, that is impossible in today's Textile society. Pornography and the exploitation of the human body is everywhere. But there is a way to avoid Pornography, and that is by participating in nudity. I am happy that now I am a nudist and I can view this site, that I have no need for Pornography anymore.

Victorian prudery is becoming a failed model of Modesty in the World of today. Maybe it's time to accept Nudity as the one true model of modesty as a way to combat Porn.

[Elton]

Being a Nudist actually frees you in more ways than one. Pornography is a problem in this country, and it was a problem for me before I embraced good nudity.

Pornography preys on the natural need to see human beings naked. However, in portraying nudes in suggestive ways Pornography destroys rather than builds. Social nudity, however, does the opposite. Since I have been able to look at this site regularly, I have noticed that every Photo of the Day does not present the nude human body as an object of desire. Instead, each photo on this page presents nude bodies as they really are. As a glorious creation.

People who are viewing pornography need to experience social nudity. As somebody views pornography, they are constructing their own prison out of a fantasy where women are submissive objects for sex. Social nudity, however, can free one from this prison of smut with the reality that every body is good and decent.

I used to think that there was only one way to break free of Pornography and that is to ignore it altogether and embrace the Gospel and the Atonement of Christ. Now I know their is two ways: practicing social nudity and embracing the Atonement. And since my Christian beliefs do not exclude Nudity at all, I can have the benefits of both.

The Prophet asks us Mormons to avoid Pornography like the plague. However, that is impossible in today's Textile society. Pornography and the exploitation of the human body is everywhere. But there is a way to avoid Pornography, and that is by participating in nudity. I am happy that now I am a nudist and I can view this site, that I have no need for Pornography anymore.

Victorian prudery is becoming a failed model of Modesty in the World of today. Maybe it's time to accept Nudity as the one true model of modesty as a way to combat Porn.

[Trailscout]

Clothes from The Prophet by Khalil Gibran:

And the weaver said, "Speak to us of Clothes."

And he answered:

Your clothes conceal much of your beauty, yet they hide not the unbeautiful.

And though you seek in garments the freedom of privacy you may find in them a harness and a chain.

Would that you could meet the sun and the wind with more of your skin and less of your raiment,

For the breath of life is in the sunlight and the hand of life is in the wind.

Some of you say, "It is the north wind who has woven the clothes to wear."

But shame was his loom, and the softening of the sinews was his thread.

And when his work was done he laughed in the forest.

Forget not that modesty is for a shield against the eye of the unclean.

And when the unclean shall be no more, what were modesty but a fetter and a fouling of the mind?

And forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair.

[Gary Naturist]

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Originally posted by Trailscout:
[qb] Clothes from The Prophet by Khalil Gibran:

And the weaver said, "Speak to us of Clothes."

And he answered:

Your clothes conceal much of your beauty, yet they hide not the unbeautiful.

And though you seek in garments the freedom of privacy you may find in them a harness and a chain.

Would that you could meet the sun and the wind with more of your skin and less of your raiment,

For the breath of life is in the sunlight and the hand of life is in the wind.

Some of you say, "It is the north wind who has woven the clothes to wear."

But shame was his loom, and the softening of the sinews was his thread.

And when his work was done he laughed in the forest.

Forget not that modesty is for a shield against the eye of the unclean.

And when the unclean shall be no more, what were modesty but a fetter and a fouling of the mind?

And forget not that the earth delights to feel your bare feet and the winds long to play with your hair. [/qb]

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What he said .. Gary

[Elton]

Yeah. Mohammad can be very profound.

[Guest]

Trailscout ...Wow!...Thanks for sharing...

[Trailscout]

The chapter I quoted was written by Khalil Gibran (1883-1931). He was a Maronite Christian from Lebanon, a poet and prophet, a man of deep faith and it is plain to see, a man with a great deal of wisdom about the goodness of the body.
If you would like to read more about him, please visit: Khalil Gibran Online

[Guest]

"People who are viewing pornography need to experience social nudity. As somebody views pornography, they are constructing their own prison out of a fantasy where women are submissive objects for sex. Social nudity, however, can free one from this prison of smut with the reality that every body is good and decent."

Then how do you explain all the nudists that like porn? And how do you explain that about a third of people that like porn are female?

And why are you under the impression that porn has only one theme, that of a submissive woman?

[nudeM]

Posted by Cyndiann: "And why are you under the impression that porn has only one theme, that of a submissive woman?"---------------------------------------------------

Just about 90% of the porn out there is based soley on that theme.

[Trailscout]

Cyndiann, I think Elton is referring to men who cannot see women as anything but objects to satisfy their lust.

As a nudist, I am no longer aroused very easily by the sight of platonic nudity, but your point is well taken that if I were with my wife in private and she behaved in a sexually enticing manner, my body would still eagerly respond to her invitation.

Elton comes from a religious group that teaches that we should confine our sexual appetites to our husbands or wives, not even approving of fanciful lust over images of women (or men).

I don't know what percentage of nudists also enjoy enjoy pornographic imagery on a regular basis. It is no one's business, but if it leads to dehumanizing our relationships, perhaps there is some merit in discussing how to help people escape pornographic addiction.

[Rex]

I am an admirer of beauty in many forms.

But, as a heterosexual man, with a strong sex-drive, [even though I'm approaching 70], I obviously find images of pretty women smiling into the camera, nude, or not, as likely to be particularly appealing.

I have been comfortable with social nudity for many years, and I believe that this has been a great help in keeping a lot of things in perspective.

I do not choose to have indiscriminate sex, under conditions which I find inappropriate.

But some forms of visual entertainment, which I may see as harmless fun, some people may regard as improper.

I have deep feelings of spirituality, and respect the religious beliefs of others, but I stopped following anything remotely like orthodox religion when I was 15.

I have no feelings of guilt, if I feel admiration for an attractive woman, but neither do I act inappropriately, either.

I will be at a dance this evening, where there will be many attractive women, some maybe a bit cheekily dressed too.

Many of them are my friends, and I will be friendly towards all of them.

But I will be with my lady friend, Emiko, and, in that "special" way, I will only have eyes for her, and she will know it.

[missouriboy]

"...Social nudity, however, can free one from this prison of smut with the reality that every body is good and decent."

Then how do you explain all the nudists that like porn?

cyndiann, that question is a non sequitur. Elton didn't imply any guarantee, as you can see by his use of the word that I highlighted above.

It worked for me. (Although I wasn't really imprisoned by it. See my next post.)

[Trailscout]

Rex, sounds as if you are addicted to love instead of lust.

And I would hasten to add that admiration of female beauty is not lust.

Lust is inordinate desire (for anything not just sex). As long as your life is balanced (ordinate) then no one can accuse you of lust (inordinance).

[missouriboy]

Eloquent posts, guys. Though I've reported this before, I'll add my 2 cents again just to affirm what you're saying, with my own personal experience.

Penny 1: Even though I had no business wasting the family treasure on their high prices, I used to visit "Gentlemen's Clubs" [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] occasionally just to assuage my compulsion to observe the beauty of the female form. But I've not been to a single one since becoming a nudist in 1996.

Penny 2: I have a stack of a dozen or more Playboys that someone gave me over a year ago. I scanned through a couple of them at first, reading some articles and the jokes, but the rest remain untouched and gathering dust for a year. While I've never spent a dime on them, I used to read them whenever I got the opportunity. I didn't really consider them pornographic, though, and could never really stomach the raunchy ones like Hustler, etc. But now I don't even give them any of my time at all.

So, I can really relate to what you're saying. Thanks for a good and thoughtful post.

[Elton]

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Originally posted by Trailscout:
[qb] Rex, sounds as if you are addicted to love instead of lust.

And I would hasten to add that admiration of female beauty is not lust.

Lust is inordinate desire (for anything not just sex). As long as your life is balanced (ordinate) then no one can accuse you of lust (inordinance). [/qb]

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Admiration for Female Beauty isn't lust. Beauty was part of the reason that Eve was created last. The Brethren feel that Woman represents the Crowning Achievement of Creation. Admiration for that creation just to appreciate it isn't lust.

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Elton comes from a religious group that teaches that we should confine our sexual appetites to our husbands or wives, not even approving of fanciful lust over images of women (or men).

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We are also taught that sex, when performed in the Bonds of Marriage, is the noble and most profound way to express love. Sex is for the family. Outside of Marriage, this significance is cheapened.

No, Cindyanne, I did not mean that Social Nudity IS the one and only answer to break free. I said there was two answers. Both work in Synergy. The Atonement gives us the power to Break Free of Pornography if we wish it, and social nudity gives us the power to avoid the smut.