The Gnostic Gospels

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Ir has always seemed strange to me that Adam and Eve "saw that they were naked, and were ashamed." according to Genisis. Yet they were made "in the image of God." God was ashamed of his own image?'
In Dan Brown's recent best seller, "The DaVinci Code," he mentions the lost gospels. A recent commentary, entitled "Secrets of the Code" there is a quote from one of these, the Gospel of Thomas (Doubting Thomas), copies of which were discovered in Egypt,towit: "From "The Gosple of Thomas", translated by Thomas O. Lambdin
These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down..----
His disciples aid, "When will you become revealed to us and when shall we see you?"
Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then will you see the son of the livngone, and you will not be afraid."
I have no idea of what custom the "tread on them" is referring to, and neither does the Gosple, apparently, as there is no explanation here or in other sources. The lost gosples (those not "cannonized" and included in the "Bible") are commented on also in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Apparently there is a lot of pure human judgement by the Council of Nicea which left out a lot of interesting stuff.

[Guest]

Ir has always seemed strange to me that Adam and Eve "saw that they were naked, and were ashamed." according to Genisis. Yet they were made "in the image of God." God was ashamed of his own image?'
In Dan Brown's recent best seller, "The DaVinci Code," he mentions the lost gospels. A recent commentary, entitled "Secrets of the Code" there is a quote from one of these, the Gospel of Thomas (Doubting Thomas), copies of which were discovered in Egypt,towit: "From "The Gosple of Thomas", translated by Thomas O. Lambdin
These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down..----
His disciples aid, "When will you become revealed to us and when shall we see you?"
Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then will you see the son of the livngone, and you will not be afraid."
I have no idea of what custom the "tread on them" is referring to, and neither does the Gosple, apparently, as there is no explanation here or in other sources. The lost gosples (those not "cannonized" and included in the "Bible") are commented on also in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Apparently there is a lot of pure human judgement by the Council of Nicea which left out a lot of interesting stuff.

[PascoDoug]

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Originally posted by seniorfly:
Ir has always seemed strange to me that Adam and Eve "saw that they were naked, and were ashamed." according to Genisis. Yet they were made "in the image of God." God was ashamed of his own image?'

According to the Bible, they weren't ashamed until the serpent smoothtalked them into eating the forbidden fruit, after which they learned or became aware of shame, lust, good, evil, etc.

Basically, the devil and their own disobedience made them ashamed of their nakedness, not God himself.

[David77]

In reality there are more than four ancient gospels available, including the gospel of Thomas, gospel of Mary, the "Q" gospel: about 20 gospels in all.

All the writings of the gospels relied greatly upon oral traditions, (not print traditions). Oral tradition passed down over more than one hundred and fifty years, is hearsay evidence, second-hand evidence from a rather primitive peoples.

The oldest copies of manuscripts of gospels are from around 200 AD, except for some very small manuscript fragments from around 125 AD that are too small to contain much to read. These manuscripts from around 200 AD are not original manuscripts, but they are many ancient copies in a different language from the original, and by different scribes whose copies differ from one another, to a degree.

The oldest manuscripts of the New Testament are located in Chester Beatty Library in Dublin Ireland. These New Testament documents are a collection from a wealthy American mining engineeer. They are copies, of copies, of copies of lost originals. The originals were a century and a half before this. Paul wrote one letter in his own hand and dictated the others to a scribe to write down on papyrus.

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At the Council of Trent, Italy, a council set up by the Catholic Church, there was much discussion and disagreement as to which books should be considered the holy cannon, but on April 7, 1546 they took a vote as to whether (the present) books of the Bible shall be considered the Holy Cannon. The contentious vote was as follows;