quote:Most people have an element of exhibition and voyeurism even when clothed. They wear attractive clothes to attract themselves to others i.e. they are exhibiting themselves and courting the approval of others. Clothed people will very often "people watch" - that makes them voyeurs. Underlying all of this is human sexuality but clothed people would no more admit that their exhibitionism and voyeurism was sexual than your average nudist.
Originally posted by butnaked:
[qb]How do you KNOW that YOU have no exhibition or voyeur motive, when you are nude in a social group.[/qb]
quote:Rik: Well said. Your point that most people have some exhibitionistic and voyeuristic tendencies when clothed helps explain and justify similar tendencies among nudists.
Originally posted by Rik:
[qb]Most people have an element of exhibition and voyeurism even when clothed. They wear attractive clothes to attract themselves to others i.e. they are exhibiting themselves and courting the approval of others. Clothed people will very often "people watch" - that makes them voyeurs. Underlying all of this is human sexuality but clothed people would no more admit that their exhibitionism and voyeurism was sexual than your average nudist.
The bottom line as far as naturism is concerned is behaviour. You can think what you like as long as you behave appropriately.
Rik[/qb]
quote:Can someone translate this for me?
Originally posted by tarsus:
[qb]heres how i know,when people see me i get this reaction,you one ugly man!
and how do i know its not the other? there are only two basic types.having worked in heatlh care for many years[no longer]i can tell you we all do
function about the same:}.my stock answer "God made me that way".ever seen a baby born fully dressed??[/qb]
quote:Very well said! I think that it is also true that since we are social animals (sort of hurd animals?) we are naturally interested in other human beings, so we look at other human individuals and the human group around us, regardless of whether they are nude or clothed. Our greatest satisfaction from infancy to old age is other human beings, so we are interested in the sight of others around. (If no other humans around, we could eventually feel lonely). I think that a healthy type interest in others is a sign of good mental health. (Staring can be rude and inconsiderate, however).
Originally posted by barelybob:
[qb]It is natural to desire to be noticed and to "check out" others. This is connected to the instinct to proliferate. We all want to see and be seen, clothed or not. If I weren't attracted to women, I would be concerned, as I would if I felt unattractive. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] [/qb]
quote:
Originally posted by Rik:
[qb]quote:Can someone translate this for me?
Originally posted by tarsus:
[qb]heres how i know,when people see me i get this reaction,you one ugly man!
and how do i know its not the other? there are only two basic types.having worked in heatlh care for many years[no longer]i can tell you we all do
function about the same:}.my stock answer "God made me that way".ever seen a baby born fully dressed??[/qb]
Rik, you come over as a pompous ***. Why would you want to make tarsus feel the way I am sure he did when he saw your sanctimonious response? As you have said recently, "Let others be what they are". I think you owe him an apology.
Rik[/qb]
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