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    After some though and soul searching,I was wondering how others determine thier motivation. Is the feel of the sun and wind all that makes most nudist get naked or are there other factors. How do you KNOW that YOU have no exhibition or voyeur motive, when you are nude in a social group.

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    After some though and soul searching,I was wondering how others determine thier motivation. Is the feel of the sun and wind all that makes most nudist get naked or are there other factors. How do you KNOW that YOU have no exhibition or voyeur motive, when you are nude in a social group.

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    • #3
      Interesting question. How do we know anything about any of our motives? As human beings, we can be very deceptive, even to ourselves. I guess some soul searching is the best answer.

      As for my self, my first experiences in nude/co social environments were about everything you had mentioned. The phyical pleasure of the sun, wind and water on my body. The thrill (and fear) of being seen nude, and a desire to look at nude women. But there was also a child-like curiosity of what would it be like. (as a kid, if there was a sign saying "wet paint" I had to touch it just to make sure)

      With in minutes of stripping down, all I was really aware of was the wonderful, peacefull yet exhilarating feeling of the sun, air and sometimes the waves on my body. That, and realizing that no one was staring at me, nor was I at anyone else. Acceptance, like I had never know it before. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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      • #4
        I believe it's a little of both. The comfort of not having to wear anything is great, especially when it is warm outside, or just lounging around the house, performing house chores, etc. Myself, if I HAVE to wear clothes, then I put on anything that is very loose fitting that is made with light material that is permitted within the public. It's just my way of being "semi-nude" and being able to mingle with the public.

        Could this be on the verge of being an exhibitionist? Possibly so. Since I don't wear any underwear, it would be possible for the public to notice my lack of underwear, especially when I am seated (which happens alot, my wife constantly states that I am hanging out), or if a nice strong breeze catches my shorts in the right position. But I have noticed others who wear little else and they go on with their daily chores as well. Are these people nudists or exhibitionist also? It's hard to say, but they are comfortable and go on pretty much as if they had a full wardrobe on.

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        • #5
          quote:
          Originally posted by butnaked:
          [qb]How do you KNOW that YOU have no exhibition or voyeur motive, when you are nude in a social group.[/qb]
          Most people have an element of exhibition and voyeurism even when clothed. They wear attractive clothes to attract themselves to others i.e. they are exhibiting themselves and courting the approval of others. Clothed people will very often "people watch" - that makes them voyeurs. Underlying all of this is human sexuality but clothed people would no more admit that their exhibitionism and voyeurism was sexual than your average nudist.

          The bottom line as far as naturism is concerned is behaviour. You can think what you like as long as you behave appropriately.

          Rik

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          • #6
            Well said, and I totally agree with Rik's last post, #746.

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            • #7
              Since I'm not anything great to look at, I wouldn't consider myself an exibitionist. I used to be VERY embarrassed to be seen nude. If looking at an attractive woman, whether she's clothed or nude, is considered to be voyuerism, then I guess that I'm a voyuer. I really don't believe I am though since I don't stare and drool over her, or lust after her. Actually, I think I'm doing quite well considering I've been into social nudism for less than two years.

              If this works you can see what I look like at the followig URL: http://www.clothesfree.com/personals/jp.jpg
              I'm trying to get a head and shoulders (not the shampoo) shot of me posted as my avatar, but it isn't working, and I hope this one works. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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              • #8
                quote:
                Originally posted by Rik:
                [qb]Most people have an element of exhibition and voyeurism even when clothed. They wear attractive clothes to attract themselves to others i.e. they are exhibiting themselves and courting the approval of others. Clothed people will very often "people watch" - that makes them voyeurs. Underlying all of this is human sexuality but clothed people would no more admit that their exhibitionism and voyeurism was sexual than your average nudist.

                The bottom line as far as naturism is concerned is behaviour. You can think what you like as long as you behave appropriately.

                Rik[/qb]
                Rik: Well said. Your point that most people have some exhibitionistic and voyeuristic tendencies when clothed helps explain and justify similar tendencies among nudists.

                You'll recall that a poll that I ran showed that, for 2/3 of the nudists who responded, there is a sexual element associated with their practice of nudism.

                Does this mean that these people are not true nudists? You have supplied the answer: The bottom line as far as naturism is concerned is behavior. You can think what you like as long as you behave properly.

                All nudists should take note of these two points and communicate them to the non-nudist public when their motives for practising nudism are questioned.

                Gary

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                • #9
                  It is natural to desire to be noticed and to "check out" others. This is connected to the instinct to proliferate. We all want to see and be seen, clothed or not. If I weren't attracted to women, I would be concerned, as I would if I felt unattractive. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    heres how i know,when people see me i get this reaction,you one ugly man!
                    and how do i know its not the other? there are only two basic types.having worked in heatlh care for many years[no longer]i can tell you we all do
                    function about the same:}.my stock answer "God made me that way".ever seen a baby born fully dressed??

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                    • #11
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by tarsus:
                      [qb]heres how i know,when people see me i get this reaction,you one ugly man!
                      and how do i know its not the other? there are only two basic types.having worked in heatlh care for many years[no longer]i can tell you we all do
                      function about the same:}.my stock answer "God made me that way".ever seen a baby born fully dressed??[/qb]
                      Can someone translate this for me?

                      Rik

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                      • #12
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by barelybob:
                        [qb]It is natural to desire to be noticed and to "check out" others. This is connected to the instinct to proliferate. We all want to see and be seen, clothed or not. If I weren't attracted to women, I would be concerned, as I would if I felt unattractive. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] [/qb]
                        Very well said! I think that it is also true that since we are social animals (sort of hurd animals?) we are naturally interested in other human beings, so we look at other human individuals and the human group around us, regardless of whether they are nude or clothed. Our greatest satisfaction from infancy to old age is other human beings, so we are interested in the sight of others around. (If no other humans around, we could eventually feel lonely). I think that a healthy type interest in others is a sign of good mental health. (Staring can be rude and inconsiderate, however).

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                        • #13
                          Jon-Marc...It's interesting to actually see what you look like after reading your posts for sometime now.Glad you were finally able to get your pic posted.. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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                          • #14
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Rik:
                            [qb]
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by tarsus:
                            [qb]heres how i know,when people see me i get this reaction,you one ugly man!
                            and how do i know its not the other? there are only two basic types.having worked in heatlh care for many years[no longer]i can tell you we all do
                            function about the same:}.my stock answer "God made me that way".ever seen a baby born fully dressed??[/qb]
                            Can someone translate this for me?

                            Rik, you come over as a pompous ***. Why would you want to make tarsus feel the way I am sure he did when he saw your sanctimonious response? As you have said recently, "Let others be what they are". I think you owe him an apology.
                            Rik[/qb]

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                            • #15
                              Thanks, Outdoorbare. I'm not able to figure out how to post the actual photo in the forum, but I think I like it better this way. If anyone wants to see what I look like, they can click on the URL. If not then they don't have to see me. Personally, I would enjoy seeing what everyone here looks like--dressed or not, or just a face shot.

                              I realize, though, that there are some who are leery of posting their photo, dressed or nude, on the Internet. We should respect their reluctance because some people have a good reason for not doing so. Casey and his twin learned that their photos ended up on a porn site. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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