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  • NewAndNude
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    quote:
    Originally posted by cyndiann:
    [qb] zuma, there is already enough history of TV shows presenting nudist facilities in a bad light to know very well that this one at Desert Shadows would not be a winner for us. C'mon, just mentioning the characters who were involved should have given everyone a huge clue.

    It was not the first reality show to show naturists. Richard Hatch would probably get that honor.

    And do you really think that Rikki Lake would present a balanced view? Have you seen it? There is never a serious moment on that show.

    From what I've seen there are more shows that misrepresent nudism than ones that show us honestly and in a good light.

    I knew that show was going to be a disaster way before it happened. [/qb]
    Reality television does tend to skewer nudity for its own purposes. Just look at how 'Big Brother' handled the nudity of the housemates. Even though there was a camera facing the shower and cameras everywhere else and it was a given that unless you changed under a blanket someone, member of the crew or not, was going to see you naked, the folks behind Big Brother raised a stink when some of the housemates decided to shower together and/or appear without clothes on.

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  • zuma
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    Cindiann, you are right in many ways... I was just trying to say that historically, the ricki lake/geraldo type shows weren't TOTALLY horrible, which is about all we could ask for at the time. At least they would present a "balanced" view, in other words, give the nudists their say between shrieking audience members and the fundie guests onstage...

    You're right that it was not totally balanced, and the shows were not serious in a news-reporting sense.. I didn't get my point across right... I was just trying to say that those shows, horrible as they were, were not on full-on attack mode like the current batch of reality tv shows are.

    And you are right about the characters presented... You had a porn star in the mix. Desert Shadows should have had a clue... I was just trying to cut them a wee bit of leeway... maybe they thought they could get a positive message out among all the attacks. I dunno. I agree that they should have known better, however it's now obvious that reality tv shows cannot be trusted to present naturism in a positive light, and that is what is important. I've rambled a bit and I apologise for that.

    We should focus on Paradise Lakes and their reported association with the paris hilton show. I haven't even written them an e-mail. I think I'll do that now.

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    zuma, there is already enough history of TV shows presenting nudist facilities in a bad light to know very well that this one at Desert Shadows would not be a winner for us. C'mon, just mentioning the characters who were involved should have given everyone a huge clue.

    It was not the first reality show to show naturists. Richard Hatch would probably get that honor.

    And do you really think that Rikki Lake would present a balanced view? Have you seen it? There is never a serious moment on that show.

    From what I've seen there are more shows that misrepresent nudism than ones that show us honestly and in a good light.

    I knew that show was going to be a disaster way before it happened.

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  • zuma
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    I don't blame INA for what happened, as it was the first reality tv show to prominently display legitimate naturist clubs and legitimate naturists.

    Going forward, I think any club or organization which participates in what has become a circus sideshow should be sanctioned.

    TV shows actually, imo, have a good track record portraying nudists in a positive light. Even the dumb geraldo/ricki lake shows and their ilk would at least present a balanced view. It's apparent now that reality tv shows are a different beast.

    lesson learned, as you said.

    Until reality tv shows can be trusted not to mock the lifestyle, no legitimate naturists should involve themself with them. That day may come, but they should earn our trust first.

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  • Trailscout
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    There has been a long-standing precedent of television allowing nudity in the depiction of the fine arts, for medical purposes, and as you saw on the Travel Channel, for anthropology programs. Even an historical drama such as "Amistad" was able to get away with it.

    I think there is a certain emotional distance that renders it acceptable to the great masses.

    Most television drama portrays everyday life so maybe nudity is too close for comfort in that context.

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  • NewAndNude
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    Last night from 3-4 a.m. The Travel Channel presented a documentary on the Sumra people from Etheopia who still cling to many of their old beliefs, including polygamy and lip-piercing with plates. The focus was on one of the stronger members of the tribe marrying one of the girls in her late teens with a large lip plate. However, nothing was censored. Perhaps it was the time of the showing (3 a.m.) or perhaps it was that The Travel Channel is sort of like National Geographic in that they can get away with showing that sort of thing. What I do know is that there were penises of all shapes and sizes shown on everyone from young boys to adult men, and that almost all of the women went around topless. Nothing pixalated, nothing covered. So while there is something as manipulative as Mad Mad House on the air, and the WB network chooses to edit it so that nudity = sexuality, there are still some places on television where this is not true.

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  • Doug H
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    Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
    [qb]But the WB changed all that in the manner in which they edited their footage for broadcast, providing a completely different version of the reality that the participants experienced.

    That was a lesson that Paradise Lakes should take to heart. And now we know better why MMH didn't want a real nudist.

    Reality shows depend on titilation, sensationalism, distortion, 'unreality' and just plain lying to improve their product. We can't expect the truth from them.

    Lesson learned.

    -Mark [/qb]
    Well said!!!!!!!

    Doug H.

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  • Stevedaoust
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    I agree that there should be more healthy nudity on Mad House but remember that it's only day #1,it shot for 6 weeks and we all know that reality shows have just one more card up their sleeves. The premis of this show is to show and teach outside the norm to people that live the so called normal life.
    I say, let's kick back and see what happens THEN send in our Ya's or Na's

    Steve

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  • Naturist Mark
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    Originally posted by nudeM:
    [qb] Originally posted by Cyndiann: I guess you include the INA since they were part of that loser show at Desert Shadows? They were also attempting to have Corey play Avacado's role from what I remember.-----------------------------------------

    Is this another bash at INA? The second time if I remember right.[/qb]
    If it was intended as bashing of INA, it was ZUMA who did it. Zuma was saying that clubs and resorts that cooperate with reality shows should be sanctioned or kicked out of the movement without seeming to realize that INA had been just such a participant. Cyndiann was just pointing that out.

    I think it would have been great if Corey had been chosen for MMH, because he would have played it straight, and by choosing him the producers would have been showing their willingness to play it straight. Which is probably why he was passed over.

    INA was present for the Surreal Life taping at Desert Shadows, and we saw a lot of what went on in their Nudes in the News segments. It was not seen by the people there on the ground as a negative experience that defamed nudism. But the WB changed all that in the manner in which they edited their footage for broadcast, providing a completely different version of the reality that the participants experienced.

    That was a lesson that Paradise Lakes should take to heart. And now we know better why MMH didn't want a real nudist.

    Reality shows depend on titilation, sensationalism, distortion, 'unreality' and just plain lying to improve their product. We can't expect the truth from them.

    Lesson learned.

    -Mark

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  • nudeM
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    Originally posted by Cyndiann: I guess you include the INA since they were part of that loser show at Desert Shadows? They were also attempting to have Corey play Avacado's role from what I remember.-----------------------------------------

    Is this another bash at INA? The second time if I remember right.

    It is true that the television stations are beginning to use nudity for promotional reasons, and the portrayal of nudists is definately sending out the wrong message. Desert Shadows showed nudists acting like nudists, it's just that the characters acted like kids when confronted with it, by their snied remarks. During the pool scene, nudity was portrayed as being a sexual ordeal, and it showed when the cameras zoomed in on one of the nudists. The look in his eyes was that out of disgust.

    This Mad Mad House is another irresponsible portrayal of nudity. The Naturist should be nude all of the time, not just a couple of scenes. As I already stated, they are 'forcing' the participants to be nude for a chance at the prize money, and for nothing else. Hopefully we'll see this week how the nudity is accepted. Hopefully it will be on a positive note. From what I have seen already, chances are that nudity will be frowned upon, except as a stepping stone to the prize.

    As far as Corey, I'm glad he wasn't chosen for the part of the Naturist. It would have surely given the INA a bad reputation.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by zuma:
    [qb] Nudists will be yet again ridiculed by this tv show. I suppose you cannot stop wayward camera-*****ing naked people from dangling their **** in front of a tv camera.

    I hate to be a broken record.. but where in the hell is the aanr in this mess? Jesus, once we were kind of nervous when Geraldo would visit a nudist resort... Now random naked idiotsd are peeing all over naturism.

    Avacado, or whatever his real name is, is a disgrace. Desert Shadows is a disgrace, and that place in florida whoring themselves out to the paris hilton fiasco is another disgrace.

    All true naturists should stay far away from idiotic reality tv shows. Any of them who participate are a cancer on naturism [/qb]
    I guess you include the INA since they were part of that loser show at Desert Shadows? They were also attempting to have Corey play Avacado's role from what I remember.

    Should we be jumping on every show that wants to involve nudism? Does anyone really think anything positive will come of having Paris and Nicole at Paradise? Is any publicity good publicity?

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  • MikeJB
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    I dont think people should take reality shows too seriously and if these media idiots wanna make reality shows then their viewers oughta tell them to make it REAL and not some fake reality show with the same bland blonde *****y type of girls who always fight with each other all the time and all these questionable weirdos on it. The last thing naturists need is to be placed alongside witches and voodooism.

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  • zuma
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    Nudists will be yet again ridiculed by this tv show. I suppose you cannot stop wayward camera-*****ing naked people from dangling their **** in front of a tv camera.

    I hate to be a broken record.. but where in the hell is the aanr in this mess? Jesus, once we were kind of nervous when Geraldo would visit a nudist resort... Now random naked idiotsd are peeing all over naturism.

    Avacado, or whatever his real name is, is a disgrace. Desert Shadows is a disgrace, and that place in florida whoring themselves out to the paris hilton fiasco is another disgrace.

    All true naturists should stay far away from idiotic reality tv shows. Any of them who participate are a cancer on naturism

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  • TXK NUDE
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    If Avocado is a naturist, then I am most definitely a nudist! However, beyond that distinction, I have no problem with him--though I do agree with Corky that it's not really helpful for the nudist movement. My biggest problem with theshow is their treatment of the Christians--especially Kelly, the virgin Catholic girl. I guess Christians will always be ridiculed and mistreated on TV...like Tammy Faye was. I was disappointed in her stance on nudism, but she did stand her ground and her faith, and eventually won the respect of her fellow "Surrealists". Unfortunately, the one Christian last night who had to make the final choice in the elimination really gave Christianity a black mark. He had promised the young guy he had his back, but then broke his word when it came down to it. He favored the young woman because she was a Christian, but it meant he lied, and that was bad.

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  • hm0504
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    FYI, just saw "Arresting Design", a house renovation show on the W Network
    http://www.wnetwork.com/index.asp
    in which the current episode features the home of the Deschenes family, of whom Stephane is the top guy at the Federation of Canadian Naturists (details below).

    The show allowed Stephane and his wife Linda to give an excellent presentation of naturism -- Stephane while he is decorating and Linda while she spends the day at a naturist resort with other naturists. Though the dubbed-in commentator, in sort of a gentle nudge-nudge-wink-wink fashion, squeezes almost every joke in the book, the show came across very well. Certainly presented naturists as normal (except for the no clothing bit), fine human beings.


    quote:
    From: Dave Fleming
    Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:44 pm
    Subject: Reno of a Naturist House on WTN cable TV.



    (please pass this message on to others who may be
    interested)

    The show Arresting Design will feature a kitchen
    renovation in a house
    belonging to a naturist family. (see below for more
    info)

    Arresting Design
    W Network (used to be called WTN or Women's Television
    Network)
    This is their #1 rated show.
    See your local listings for channel and exact time.
    The network is only available on cable and satellite.
    It is probably not
    available outside of Canada.
    http://www.wnetwork.com/tv_shows/sho...esting_design/

    The episode airs:
    Thursday March 4th at 10pm
    Saturday March 6th at 1pm
    Sunday March 7th at 7:30 pm &
    Tuesday March 9th at 11:30 am.

    Background:

    On January 14th I did a secret advance interview. On
    Thursday January 15th
    the TV crew arrived and surprised my wife Linda. (it
    had to be a secret to
    her) They "busted" her for a "design crime" and then
    put her up in a hotel
    while the crew and I renovated the kitchen.

    We started at 9h30 on Thursday morning and ended just
    past midnight on
    Saturday morning. In the 39 or so hours that this
    represents, I had 4 hours
    of sleep. That was 4 hours more than some of the crew
    that was working on
    the kitchen!

    No, I didn't actually do the renovation work. Neither
    did the hosts, Tammy &
    Jeffrey. We were filmed starting all the jobs but then
    the crew took over.
    It would have been impossible to get it all done in
    time otherwise. Tammy,
    Jeffrey and I spent all of our time filming scenes
    while the renovation team
    did the renovation work in the background.

    I spent the entire time nude. At first the crew were a
    little awkward with
    it but they got used to it very quickly. After a few
    hours, people didn't
    seem to notice.

    We shot 8 hours of film. I'm in most of it (and nude)
    helping with the
    renovation. The final show will be 22 minutes.

    Of course, there were lots of jokes and those nudity
    double-entendre that
    the media just can't seem to resist when it comes to
    naturism. Overall, in
    was all in good fun. One of the hosts played the very
    uptight one who didn't
    mind my nudity but would never do it himself. The
    second host was
    middle-of-the road. The carpenter (who is an on-air
    personality too) was
    shot having dinner nude with myself and the two other
    hosts. Their
    discomfort with their own nudity was what generated a
    lot of interesting
    discussion while we were renovating.

    I think it will come out well. Of course, it will all
    depend on the editing.
    When you go from 8 hours to 22 minutes, you lose a
    lot! If you do the math,
    you'll realize that 96% of the footage is thrown
    away!!

    I'm quite anxious to see the final results.

    Stephane



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