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RT · 11-26-2002, 12:07 AM

RT putting his quarter in this time.

It was very hot here in Sydney yesterday, 40c in some areas, I work part time at an ISP on their help line, it pays the bills and puts me through university, anyway,yesterday I was going to finish my Chrissy shopping but decided it was way to hot to go so I decided to go to the beach (Cobblers) for a swim alone.

When I got there it was a bit packed but I found a spot to put down my towel undressed and went for a swim. I couldn't see anyone I knew where my towel was so I after my swim I went for a walk to see if I could find anyone I knew, what I found was two guys doing stuff that I believe should be done in the privacy of their bedroom.

I don't have anything against gay people I respect their lifestyle but some stuff should be done in private, I wouldn't have sex on Cobblers beach if I had a girlfriend, I would wait until I got back home and did it in private.

Why is it that people feel the need to have sex on public nude beaches. It spoils it for everyone.

RT

**Rik** · 11-26-2002, 01:00 AM

RT

I sense an interesting debate starting here. You've probably been reading the discussion with Stu who, as a confirmed non-nudist, would believe that simple nudity spoils a beach for the majority and there are many naturists who believe that sex on a naturist beach (gay or otherwise) spoils it for the majority of naturists. Yet I guess that those who indulge in public sex take the view that there is nothing wrong in what they do. On the face of it our intolerance of people doing natural things on a beach is as bad as the intolerance of non-nudists against our nudist philosophies. And lets not argue about whether gay sex is natural or not as that's not a naturist issue.

So being tolerant people why do we object so strongly to the sort of behaviour you witnessed? I don't think it's enough to say "some things should be done in private" or "I find it uncomfortable to see such things".

In my view it's more to do with protecting the image of naturism. There are still many people out there who assume that nudity equals sex and we are often at great pains to assure the doubters that naturism is not a natural setting for sexual activity nor is it the "perfect cover for paedophiles" as suggested in another thread. Naturally when we witness something that threatens our image then we get upset by it.

So I agree with you. I too find would find such a thing distasteful but not so much because it's something which should be done in private but because it damages naturism.

Rik

**Stewey** · 11-26-2002, 10:07 AM

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Yet I guess that those who indulge in public sex take the view that there is nothing wrong in what they do.

I'm not so sure I agree with that. I think that people who indulge in public sex (especially at a nude beach) know that they shouldn't be doing it, & know that it is wrong, but do it anyway because they are selfish and immature, out for a cheap thrill, and have absolutely no respect for others. And I've been to enough nude beaches to know that members of the gay population aren't the only guilty parties for this.

**dbickin** · 11-26-2002, 01:27 PM

I'm only seen sex on a nude beach once, and it was a man and woman.

I didn't know what to think. On the one hand, a reputation for public sex is what kills most nude beaches.

But in this case, they were being more or less discreet. Quiet, and you could only tell what was going on because there wasn't much else he could be doing with his pelvis moving like that. Except for her legs wrapped around him, she was hidden from view.

The only thing that seemed really seedy was that one guy got up, and sat right next to them to get a better look.

When the gawker was noticed, the man didn't stop what he was doing, just sort of looked over and seemed to look as if he decided it didn't matter that someone was there, and continued his lovemaking.

I did nothing to stop them, but it was enough to make me more or less avoid the beach. The trail to the beach was so steep that I would have to stop repeatedly to catch my breath. And why go through all that, if I have my questions about what I might see when I was there.

At any rate, it isn't JUST a gay thing, and I don't think in this case they were childish and trying to impishly upset things.

I think they got caught up in the moment, and would, other than worrying about the "consequences" be more or less inclined to let them have at it. Though I wouldn't want to watch them.

David

RT · 11-26-2002, 10:59 PM

RT here again

I just want to put something right, I don't have a problem with gay people, as I said in my post I respect their lifestyle as I respect straight people.

That was my first experience of people having sex on a public nude beach and it just didn't feel right if it was straight sex I waould have felt the same way.

My apologies if I offended any gay people in the forum, it was not intended.

RT

**CAPE COD NUDISTS** · 11-27-2002, 03:03 AM

While I agree with everyone so far that public sex is wrong. That's why the "textle" world is so opposed to nude beaches. Thet get the impression that being nude is sexual. When sex happens in public, no matter who is participating in the act, they are sending that message that nudity = sex. While "nudists" or "naturalists" know that being nude is not at all about sex but about freedom.
I've seen sex in public places probable 100 times. Only two of them have been on a nude beach / resort. In those two cases the other individuals at the beach / resort advised the couple to take it to their room.
Some people actually "get off" on having sex in public. They enjoy being watched.

There is always that small percentage of people, whether straight or gay, that will ruin it for the majority. When I say the majority in this case I refer to the true nudist who does not have to have sex in public places like the nude beach.

Hope everyone has great and safe Thanksgiving!!

HAVE A GREAT NUDE DAY!

**Guest** · 11-27-2002, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by Rik:
[qb]RT

I sense an interesting debate starting here. You've probably been reading the discussion with Stu who, as a confirmed non-nudist, would believe that simple nudity spoils a beach for the majority and there are many naturists who believe that sex on a naturist beach (gay or otherwise) spoils it for the majority of naturists. Yet I guess that those who indulge in public sex take the view that there is nothing wrong in what they do. On the face of it our intolerance of people doing natural things on a beach is as bad as the intolerance of non-nudists against our nudist philosophies. And lets not argue about whether gay sex is natural or not as that's not a naturist issue.

So being tolerant people why do we object so strongly to the sort of behaviour you witnessed? I don't think it's enough to say "some things should be done in private" or "I find it uncomfortable to see such things".

In my view it's more to do with protecting the image of naturism. There are still many people out there who assume that nudity equals sex and we are often at great pains to assure the doubters that naturism is not a natural setting for sexual activity nor is it the "perfect cover for paedophiles" as suggested in another thread. Naturally when we witness something that threatens our image then we get upset by it.

So I agree with you. I too find would find such a thing distasteful but not so much because it's something which should be done in private but because it damages naturism.

Rik[/qb]

Wow Rik, I'm liking you more and more each day. Not many people would admit that viewing sex isn't harmful. Just as nudity isn't harmful to see, sex isn't either. We just have to take this one step at a time is all. Maybe topfreedom first, then total nudity, then beaches where people can actually have sex. It won't be for everyone but then nudism isn't either.

Claims that it would harm children are just guesses. Years ago people lived in real small houses, sometimes with the kids right in the bed or at the least real close by and it didn't stop people from having sex (and LOTS of kids). Kids frequently grew up with farm animals around and were used to seeing them procreating. They knew where eggs came from and watched the family goat give birth too.

Compare this to now where the fundamentalists homeschool their own kids, protecting them from things like nude art and any outside influence that might cause them to think independently. Even Stu had told us how he teaches his kids to lock bathroom doors and how nobody ever sees anyone in a state of undress right in their own home, using negative terms to describe the nude body.

**Guest** · 11-27-2002, 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by dbickin:
[qb]I'm only seen sex on a nude beach once, and it was a man and woman.

I did nothing to stop them, but it was enough to make me more or less avoid the beach. The trail to the beach was so steep that I would have to stop repeatedly to catch my breath. And why go through all that, if I have my questions about what I might see when I was there.

David[/qb]

By doing nothing and not going back you gave the beach to them. What I would have done is approached them and told them to stop. Usually they do, especially if you have a camera in your hands.

It isn't that I mind sex on a beach. What I mind is sex on a nudist beach because people don't understand nudity much less sex outside with people around.

Don't let anyone run you off of a beach. It isn't just you it effects but all nudists in the long run.

**Rik** · 11-27-2002, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by cyndiann:
[qb]Wow Rik, I'm liking you more and more each day. Not many people would admit that viewing sex isn't harmful. [/qb]

Let's just make this crystal clear before anyone misinterprets your comment. Viewing sex is not harmful to anyone. It may be culturally unacceptable and it's certainly not wanted at naturist venues but it's not harmful.

I've edited the next paragraph in later as an afterthought.

On second thoughts I think there may be a few circumstances where the simple viewing of sex may be harmful such as where a child were to see one parent having sex with a complete stranger, but to allow such a thing to happen would amount to child abuse.

BUT viewing sex which is packaged as pornography may be harmful to some vulnerable people.

The difference is sex is a natural human function but pornography uses ideas and images which give a distorted view of the real world. A Martian (or indeed a human) trying to learn about human sexuality by viewing porn may well conclude that every encounter between males and females results in the female dropping to her knees and whipping the guy's penis out or that any two or three women in a room together must be lesbians. Pornography degrades sex and is fundamentally more about commercialism and manipulation than eroticism.

And what do you mean by "I'm liking you more and more each day."??? I must be doing something wrong. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Rik

**nudeboots** · 11-27-2002, 09:03 AM

I personally love sex on a beach, or better yet on a beach in front of a big fire, but on an isolated beach only reachable by boat or a hard climb. Sex in public is just rude, and has everything to do with exibitionism and nothing to do with nudism. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

**David77** · 11-27-2002, 10:01 AM

Years ago, the famous anthropologist, Margaret Mead studied the Samoan (primitive) culture of the South Pacific and in her books she reported that the children routinely saw the adults in their group copulating. Therefore when the young children played like they were adults (the equivalent of children in our culture "playing house") they included imitation of adults copulating.
Margaret Mead did not find that any of these factors were harmful to the child's development.

It is my opinion that since these children were accustomed to seeing this copulation all their lives, it would more than likely be just one of those very ordinary non-tramatic occurances. However, if a child in our culture should accidently run across this view of their parents copulating, the child could find it not only puzzling or disgusting, but could be tramatic to the child.

Especially, it would be tramatic to an unfortunate, poorly adjusted child who has not successfully resolved his or her possible jealousy of the usual, ordinary, affection the oposite sex parent shows for husband/wife (rivalry between child and parent for affection. Oedipus Complex?) However, most children's emotional development is more secure.

**nudeboots** · 11-27-2002, 10:25 AM

I agree with your statement about Margret Mead David77, she did major studies on the impact that our culture of repression has impossed on our social responsiblity. She found that repression almost always ended with severe acting out.
Our society is not ready to accept honest lovemaking, there is too much money to be made in media presentations and porn for that to happen. Like it or not money not morality is what drives our world, and it is in the best interests of those who make money out of expoitation to hide behind morality, because if we just accepted the way we looked we would not spend money on fashion. If we accepted and were honest in our sexuality there would be no money to be made in porn. I also agree with Rik,(something I hate to admit) pornography is exloitation pure and simple. Porn makes money because our society is repressed. I am sorry to get off on a rant but I truly believe that opposition to nudity is driven more by greed than morality.

**Rik** · 11-27-2002, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by nudeboots:
[qb]I also agree with Rik,(something I hate to admit) ...[/qb]

Why? Was it something I said?
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**newcastlecalkid** · 11-27-2002, 11:31 AM

I enjoy sex in public places, particularly in secluded areas in nature. I am extremely discreet and not interested in anyone seeing me.

I understand why this is such an hot topic among naturists who are trying to give nudity and sexuality completely different definitions.

As a "new nudist" I find the link between nudity and general sexuality innate to the act of nudism because it involves acceptance of the natural body. (Our sexual organs are in full view of all)

I admit I have not been to many naturist clubs or venues.
I feel that sex in public places is okay if it is discreet, hidden from view, and respectful of others.

The Kid
(please dont take these statements out of context)

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